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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #45 on: March 22, 2007, 04:55:04 PM »
You know you have a point....wow Locke could have possibly moved the sub underwater and swam out of it and blew up parts of the dock or something.  Maybe it is still around and Alex's little "manipulation" quote about Ben prevented Locke from blowing it up.  Or, he was being an idiot again.  Also, Danielle will know for sure.  

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #46 on: March 22, 2007, 05:07:12 PM »
Maybe Locke wasn't kidding.  Maybe he WAS a submarine captain... ;)

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #47 on: March 22, 2007, 05:12:55 PM »
Most logical, to me, would be the engine room.  That way the fuel would add to the explosion.  Even if it didn't breech the hull, it would incapacitate the sub.  I mean, why worry about sinking the things when you can just blow the engine and make it useless anyway?

The sub's gone.  To me that's a given.  What's not a given is why he blew it up. Because he was finally in a place where his father couldn't get to him?  Seriously?  Um, well, if they somehow did take command of the sub and find a way to get it moving, couldn't he simply tell the other Losties that he wanted to stay behind?  Wouldn't that have been a simpler option than blowing it up and stranding everybody?  Instead, I think it may have been exactly what Locke said it was....a way to level the playing field.  Chances anyone in their group knew how to operate the sub well enough to get it underway?  Pretty slim.  Chances they could convince the Others to operate it for them?  At the rate that they seem to be willing to off themselves to avoid betraying their people?  Slim, as well.  So, I think he saw little chance that they could (a) get the sub away from the Others and (b) actually be able to use it themselves, so in his eyes it was worthless to the Losties so the best thing to do was blow it up.

That's my opinion.

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #48 on: March 22, 2007, 05:15:17 PM »
i was wondering as well why the heck is he wet but that explaination makes so much sense i hope he didnt blow it up russio knew how to controle the sub and and helped locke with his plan. Goo thinking there guys

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #49 on: March 22, 2007, 05:47:19 PM »
I didn't say it was a credible theory, just a theory! ;)

Seriously, the entire show took at least 6 hours.  They go after Jack/Ben at dark (10:00 pm at the latest) and the sub is supposed to leave at 4 am. 

I know less about subs than anyone in the world.  However, something is keeping it afloat/in place.  Is it possible that Locke just sank it?  I believe it because I believe Locke knew what he was doing in the sub. 

Also, as stated before, why was Locke wet?
Why is the explosion under the dock? (producer error?)
EDIT: fixed picture in post at top of page
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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #50 on: March 22, 2007, 05:57:44 PM »
Locke being wet is a definite point of concern.  I've got no idea about that one.  Maybe he took some stuff from the sub and stashed it under the dock or something.  The sub is afloat because it has negative bouyancy, I think.  They take on water to go below the surface, don't they, and then expel it to rise?  Without the ballast (the water) they float just like a boat, I think.  It stays in place because it's tied to the dock.

Could've sank it, though, if he did know what he was doing.  Filled the ballast tanks, sunk it to the bottom, escaped through a flooded torpedo tube (if it has one) or through some sort of escape hatch?

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #51 on: March 22, 2007, 06:51:02 PM »
maybe he just felt like taking a dip?

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #52 on: March 22, 2007, 06:58:21 PM »
I thought exactly the same thing when i watched the episode last night im gonna go back and watch it and see if you can see the sub when it supposedly blows up.

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #53 on: March 22, 2007, 06:58:53 PM »
I just figured he placed some C4 on the outside of the hull.

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #54 on: March 22, 2007, 07:01:34 PM »
I agree about him placing the C-4 on the hull, really think he wanted it destroyed (gone for good). BTW, I am new here, so hi everyone. :)

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #55 on: March 22, 2007, 07:03:10 PM »
It is also possible that Locke found the submarine crew on board, took them hostage, and made them move the sub. then of course after he left, they could just drive it back. Maybe he rigged up some c4 to make sure the crew didn't try anything crafty, and told them to go dock at the pala ferry terminal.
As you can see, this theory is going no where.
I think i'll stick with my original theory as to why locke was wet: he just felt like taking a dip.

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #56 on: March 22, 2007, 07:13:35 PM »
It is also possible that Locke found the submarine crew on board, took them hostage, and made them move the sub. then of course after he left, they could just drive it back. Maybe he rigged up some c4 to make sure the crew didn't try anything crafty, and told them to go dock at the pala ferry terminal.
As you can see, this theory is going no where.
I think i'll stick with my original theory as to why locke was wet: he just felt like taking a dip.
rofl :D  I was ready to yell @ you & slap my friggin monitor. :D 

Ok...I'm sorry, but we are SO overanalyzing this, people.  This thread is going no where. :-\ :)


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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #57 on: March 22, 2007, 07:17:45 PM »
Howdy. Welcome.  ;D

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #58 on: March 22, 2007, 08:25:16 PM »
Okay, so maybe we are over-analyzing, but here's my final shot.  Like any normal, average, everyday dude like myself, Locke knows how to do three things:  Cook a steak, change a tire, and scuttle a submarine.  So, here's how yours truly, Casino, scuttles a submarine in such a way as to result in an explosion AND getting wet.

First, even though as an average everday dude I should be intensely aware of the explosive force of various types of plastic explosives, I am still not sure that this block of C4 will actually blow a hole in the hull of the sub and sink it.  I mean, what if it just dents it, or leaves a repairable hole but does not sink it?  Then I'm pretty much screwed.  I've watched enough of the History Channel, though, to know this is no nuclear submarine, so I figure there is diesel fuel in the engine room.  I climb down the hatch, make my way to the back of the sub, and since it's just one long tube I can't really miss the engine room.  I put the C4 on the fuel tank and set the timer, figuring that's going to cause some real damage. I've only got one shot at completely taking this sub out, though, and I don't know how much damage they may be able to repair....I mean, maybe they've got some repair facility on the Island or something.  So, I want to make sure I not only blow up the engine, but totally sink the thing.

Luckilu, anyone who has ever watched JAG or any WWII movie involving a submarine knows that you can flood a compartment of a sub by opening the flood valves, and if you can get enough water in there you can sink the sub.  So, on my way out, I open as many of them as I can find, which thankfully is easy because they have big red letters on them that say "FLOOD VALVE," at which time water begins shooting out of a pipe and filling the interior of the submarine, in the process getting me, Casino the Sub Sinker, soaking wet.

So, even as I kneel on the dock, soaking wet, with a gun to my head, I am still happy, because I know that they only way they will be able to repair the engine that just blew up behind me is to raise that damn submarine off the bottom of the ocean first.





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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #59 on: March 22, 2007, 08:30:45 PM »
Okay, so maybe we are over-analyzing, but here's my final shot.  Like any normal, average, everyday dude like myself, Locke knows how to do three things:  Cook a steak, change a tire, and scuttle a submarine.  So, here's how yours truly, Casino, scuttles a submarine in such a way as to result in an explosion AND getting wet.

First, even though as an average everday dude I should be intensely aware of the explosive force of various types of plastic explosives, I am still not sure that this block of C4 will actually blow a hole in the hull of the sub and sink it.  I mean, what if it just dents it, or leaves a repairable hole but does not sink it?  Then I'm pretty much screwed.  I've watched enough of the History Channel, though, to know this is no nuclear submarine, so I figure there is diesel fuel in the engine room.  I climb down the hatch, make my way to the back of the sub, and since it's just one long tube I can't really miss the engine room.  I put the C4 on the fuel tank and set the timer, figuring that's going to cause some real damage. I've only got one shot at completely taking this sub out, though, and I don't know how much damage they may be able to repair....I mean, maybe they've got some repair facility on the Island or something.  So, I want to make sure I not only blow up the engine, but totally sink the thing.

Luckilu, anyone who has ever watched JAG or any WWII movie involving a submarine knows that you can flood a compartment of a sub by opening the flood valves, and if you can get enough water in there you can sink the sub.  So, on my way out, I open as many of them as I can find, which thankfully is easy because they have big red letters on them that say "FLOOD VALVE," at which time water begins shooting out of a pipe and filling the interior of the submarine, in the process getting me, Casino the Sub Sinker, soaking wet.

So, even as I kneel on the dock, soaking wet, with a gun to my head, I am still happy, because I know that they only way they will be able to repair the engine that just blew up behind me is to raise that damn submarine off the bottom of the ocean first.
Just as long as you're not questioning that he actually blew the sub, then I have NO problem whatsoever signing on to this.  lol

Good post. :)