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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2007, 12:47:50 PM »
I don't believe he blew up the sub.

1) Locke know what he is doing on the sub (where the lights are, his movements are intentional).  Locke tells Ben he was in the Navy which I didn't believe at the time, but he certainly seemed to know what he was doing.

2) Locke is soaking wet.  If he climbed down, set the bomb and left, why jump in the water?

3) This is a minor detail but I believe intentional.  Look at the explosion (from lost-media.com photo gallery):


The explosion happens at the end of the dock, not on the side where the sub was.  I know it is minor, but the same shot could have been achieved by rotating the camera slightly and having the explosion in the water.  I don't have a screencap but watching a replay they show the explosion from a different angle and it appears the center is the dock itself (as does the above screen cap - straight back the dock).

I believe Locke knows enough about subs to sink it, swim back to the dock and set the explosive there and give the appearance that he blew it up.  Maybe I am as crazy as Locke and he just blew it up.  I guess we'll find out.
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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2007, 12:49:27 PM »
Sorry - having trouble with the picture

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1267-750.html

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2007, 02:14:37 PM »
I have known Locke blew up the submarine for weeks.
Me, too.  I'm sorry, but I just don't see why we're still discussing this one. lol


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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2007, 02:22:14 PM »
I'm pretty sure that everyone was looking straight at the sub before it blew up.  If he had sunk it and blew something else up, I think they would have known.  P

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2007, 02:43:27 PM »
As I was watching last night I was thinking as Locke was getting caught... Why is he wet?  Think about it... when Locke went into the sub he didn't get wet. Theoretically if he placed the C4 on the sub and came back up he wouldn't get wet either.

So I think somehow.. Locke moved the Sub... swam back to the dock and then place the C4 in the area to make people think he blew the sub up.  Just the way his convo with Ben after went made me feel that way.  I guess we will have to see if there are piece of the sub all over the place next epi... or whenever we get back to that dock.

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2007, 03:16:26 PM »
I agree with you. I just rewatched the episode.  If you pay close attention to the explosion you will see that the dock blows up not really anything that looks like a sub.

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #36 on: March 22, 2007, 03:19:40 PM »
I want to start off by saying that I find it near impossible that Locke could have 'faked' the sinking or blowing up of the sub ..... but after reading this thread http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php/topic,4098.0.html realized that Danielle was at the dock as Locke was on his way down to the sub. Maybe she somehow assited Locke in the fake??

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #37 on: March 22, 2007, 03:20:30 PM »
Good call.  At the time, I was just thinking it was sloppy special effects.

Let's not forget about the picture we've seen of the sub sitting out in the water during daytime.

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #38 on: March 22, 2007, 03:23:23 PM »
As I mentioned in other sub related posts Danielle was there when Locke was on his way to the sub .... she may have assited in the fake somehow.

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #39 on: March 22, 2007, 03:36:11 PM »
Great catch Jules.  Locke was not wet when he climbed in the sub why was he wet when he was walking back.  There is no way he could have moved the sub by himself (driving or pushing it).  So reason for him being wet isn't there.  I haven't re-watched the ep yet but I am going to when I get home. 

Why would he be wet if he didn't need to be? 
The explosion didn't happen till later so there is no way he was slashed with water.  We will have to wait and see but that was a great catch.

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #40 on: March 22, 2007, 03:58:19 PM »
Maybe he placed C4 in the sub AND on the outer hull, thus he would have to swim.

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #41 on: March 22, 2007, 04:11:36 PM »
you are still talking about moving a multi-ton submarine... without knowing how to do it... and then putting something in its place to blow up. That would take HOURS.

Here's what he/they would have to do to do that.

(1) Have a place to take the sub (someplace where the sub could not be seen when the sun rose in the morning)
(2) Remove the mooring lines from the dock (at least two, but with a sub like that I'm thinking 4 or more)
(3) Start the damn thing. It's probably not nuclear and thus has a diesel engine that needs to be started. Hope that nobody hears you fire up the diesel or smells the smoke. It might be electric, but then you would have to disconnect the charging line, stow it away, then go to the electrical station and switch from the charging configuration to the underway configuration.
(4) Navigate it away from the dock. The sub driver can't see squat (he's looking at an instrument panel), so someone has to be looking through the perisocope to direct the driver where to go.
(5) Set the speed and control the rudder (assuming both of these can be done from the same station, which is not the norm).
(6) NOT crash into anything.
(7) Drive the sub to the aforementioned location.
(8) Moor it there somehow (anchor, mooring lines, etc.)
(9) Swim back to the dock.
(10) Find something to park where the sub was so that when you blow it, people believe that you actually blew something up besides JUST the dock.
(11) Set the charges.
(12) Set the timer (assuming there was one).
(13) Hope that nobody saw you do all of this in that time and arrive at the end of the dock just as the others were arriving.

I buy Christian being alive more than I buy this.  :P

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #42 on: March 22, 2007, 04:22:26 PM »
you are still talking about moving a multi-ton submarine... without knowing how to do it... and then putting something in its place to blow up. That would take HOURS.

Here's what he/they would have to do to do that.

(1) Have a place to take the sub (someplace where the sub could not be seen when the sun rose in the morning)
(2) Remove the mooring lines from the dock (at least two, but with a sub like that I'm thinking 4 or more)
(3) Start the damn thing. It's probably not nuclear and thus has a diesel engine that needs to be started. Hope that nobody hears you fire up the diesel or smells the smoke. It might be electric, but then you would have to disconnect the charging line, stow it away, then go to the electrical station and switch from the charging configuration to the underway configuration.
(4) Navigate it away from the dock. The sub driver can't see squat (he's looking at an instrument panel), so someone has to be looking through the perisocope to direct the driver where to go.
(5) Set the speed and control the rudder (assuming both of these can be done from the same station, which is not the norm).
(6) NOT crash into anything.
(7) Drive the sub to the aforementioned location.
(8) Moor it there somehow (anchor, mooring lines, etc.)
(9) Swim back to the dock.
(10) Find something to park where the sub was so that when you blow it, people believe that you actually blew something up besides JUST the dock.
(11) Set the charges.
(12) Set the timer (assuming there was one).
(13) Hope that nobody saw you do all of this in that time and arrive at the end of the dock just as the others were arriving.

I buy Christian being alive more than I buy this.  :P
THANK you. ;D

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #43 on: March 22, 2007, 04:34:03 PM »
I vote "Yes", Locke blew up the sub. It just isn't clear as to why he needed to be soaking wet. Wouldn't it make sense that the C4 was rigged from inside of the sub?

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Re: Does Locke blow up the sub?
« Reply #44 on: March 22, 2007, 04:54:25 PM »
Ben made a comment about Locke not being able to pilot a sub.
Seriously, could anyone pilot a sub without experience?
I'm not a submarine expert, but I just don't think it is easy to move one.

Locke was sweating, it is humid.