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Re: Christian's last visit to Claire
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2007, 02:27:12 PM »
Well with Christian dead.... Claire's mum will be too.
Unless.... He had an insurance policy with Claire or Claire's mum as a beneficiary.

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Re: Christian's last visit to Claire
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2007, 04:25:41 PM »
Are we sure that Christian's meeting he went to was an AA meeting?  It just didn't seem like one, not that I have been to AA, but I have been to a couple of family support meetings when I was younger.  They weren't usually held in 5-star hotel banquet rooms.  I have wondered ever since that episode what kind of meeting he went to. 

The sign on the door said "Friends of Bill W." which is another way to say Alcoholics Anonymous.

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Re: Christian's last visit to Claire
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2007, 01:08:58 AM »
I think that Anna Lucia was needed as a body guard because Christian was going to meet some shady people, not because he was afraid of Claire's Aunt.


But Anna Lucia wasn't really a bodyguard. just a misery partner, so Christian would have someone to lean on, while taking the courage to make amends with Claire.

And Christian clearly stated that he went to Claire because he wanted to do right with "someone" because he couldn't do it with Jack.

Don't forget that Jack had just invaded his AA meeting and was mad with him.
Christian then calls Sarah Drunk in the middle of the night, in the morning he invites Lulu to Australia, meet Sawyer there, spend three days drinking in his hotel room, argue with Lindsay in the middle of the night, and is found dead from alcohol OD in the morning, when the police call Jack in USA.

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Re: Christian's last visit to Claire
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2007, 09:03:58 AM »
Well with Christian dead.... Claire's mum will be too.
Unless.... He had an insurance policy with Claire or Claire's mum as a beneficiary.

No, Christian tells Claire "I'm here because it's illegal to turn off her machines, but I know of ways..."
She's still alive when last we see her and will remain that way for the forseeable or until someone else euthanises her.
Hopefully not Sawyer, he'd botch it.

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Re: Christian's last visit to Claire
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2007, 05:52:29 PM »
i think christian is stil alive. and the issue with claire pulling the plug seems to me to be a test, perhaps relating to "the list"  claire seemed to make the right choice by keeping her mother alive. he was constantly testing jack as well, but jack didn't really seem to make any right decisions (at least at the time). christian def. seems to be a recruiter for the others. and, keeping in line with them, he always offers a choice. i'm not really sure where i'm going with this thought, but oh well. i just don't think claire ever killed her mother. she just had to leave.

sorry about the nonsensical post. i'm much better in a dialogue than a direct posting.


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Re: Christian's last visit to Claire
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2007, 05:55:06 PM »
I don't think that Par Avion showed the last time that Christian tried to meet Claire. He came back with Ana-Lucia to see Claire a while later.

Question: Why did Christian need a bodyguard?

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Re: Christian's last visit to Claire
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2007, 09:26:24 PM »
Question: Why did Christian need a bodyguard?
I think that he went to Australia, not only to see Claire, but for something DHG related.

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Re: Christian's last visit to Claire
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2007, 11:12:51 PM »
I don't think that Par Avion showed the last time that Christian tried to meet Claire. He came back with Ana-Lucia to see Claire a while later.

Question: Why did Christian need a bodyguard?

True, when he was with Claire she was not pregnant, at least she was definetly not showing that she was pregnant. So he came back at least months later with Ana and to Aunt Lindsey door.

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Re: Christian's last visit to Claire
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2007, 09:15:49 AM »
I don't think that Par Avion showed the last time that Christian tried to meet Claire. He came back with Ana-Lucia to see Claire a while later.

Question: Why did Christian need a bodyguard?

True, when he was with Claire she was not pregnant, at least she was definetly not showing that she was pregnant. So he came back at least months later with Ana and to Aunt Lindsey door.
He was not with blonde Claire at all, was he?  According to the boyfriend flashback (1-10, Raised by Another), Claire had already lost the Goth look before she got pregnant.  I think the meeting in the tattoo parlor was pretty soon after the accident.

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Re: Christian's last visit to Claire
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2007, 11:56:31 AM »
This is a little bit off topic but I want to get back to something Puff said earlier.  How Christan was charged by Dharma to raise a great leader.  I love this theory, I don't necessary believe it but I think this is a theory that can be backed up by the relationship between Jack and his father.

We see Christan constantly putting Jack down.  Making Jack fight harder and harder for his fathers love and attention.  Christan also is there to give Jack little peptalks when Jack is scared or nervous (when Jack gets married, when Jack loses a patient etc...).  Most of all he makes Jack think for himself and what is best for everyone.  Even ratting out his own father for being a drunk, this was the final stage of his training.  This proved that Jack is his own man and no ties no matter family, friend, or foe will make Jack sway in what he believes is right (which is extremely important for a leader to have that ability). 

Then when Sawyer sees Christian in the bar, Christian tells Sawyer how proud he was of Jack and how he could never call and tell him.  Is it because he couldn't handle telling his son that or was it that he wasn't allowed too? 


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Re: Christian's last visit to Claire
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2007, 12:31:13 PM »
This is a little bit off topic but I want to get back to something Puff said earlier.  How Christan was charged by Dharma to raise a great leader.  I love this theory, I don't necessary believe it but I think this is a theory that can be backed up by the relationship between Jack and his father.

We see Christan constantly putting Jack down.  Making Jack fight harder and harder for his fathers love and attention.  Christan also is there to give Jack little peptalks when Jack is scared or nervous (when Jack gets married, when Jack loses a patient etc...).  Most of all he makes Jack think for himself and what is best for everyone.  Even ratting out his own father for being a drunk, this was the final stage of his training.  This proved that Jack is his own man and no ties no matter family, friend, or foe will make Jack sway in what he believes is right (which is extremely important for a leader to have that ability). 

Then when Sawyer sees Christian in the bar, Christian tells Sawyer how proud he was of Jack and how he could never call and tell him.  Is it because he couldn't handle telling his son that or was it that he wasn't allowed too? 



Love this! I believe it is all true.

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Re: Christian's last visit to Claire
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2007, 12:36:02 PM »
I think Jack was definately on the path to being as pathetic as his dad.  Are we sure that Christian's meeting he went to was an AA meeting?  It just didn't seem like one, not that I have been to AA, but I have been to a couple of family support meetings when I was younger.  They weren't usually held in 5-star hotel banquet rooms.  I have wondered ever since that episode what kind of meeting he went to.  However, I do think that Christian went to see Claire because he was being shut out by Jack.  I think he needed desperately to redeem himself to at least one of his kids.  And when it didn't happen, then he drank himself to death.  Unless Claire's mom died, regardless of having the machines helping her.  Then maybe he came to comfort Claire.  Either way, I don't think he would have pulled the funds from the medical expenses, unless he was forced to.  Actually, that could be another theory....if he wasn't working, where did his money come from??  Maybe he had to stop paying for the expenses.  Don't know, just rambling :)
It was an AA meeting because they had the 12 steps in front of everybody to see.
Of course it may have been some secret Dharma meeting "posing" as an AA meeting though... :P

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Re: Christian's last visit to Claire
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2007, 12:37:01 PM »
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Here was the last list of who believes Christian is alive. Add your name if you want to say I told you so!

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Re: Christian's last visit to Claire
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2007, 12:51:00 PM »
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Here was the last list of who believes Christian is alive. Add your name if you want to say I told you so!

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Re: Christian's last visit to Claire
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2007, 12:54:42 PM »
starflier23
Crazy stuff
Juggy
Princess Leia
airdude
snowyjoe
Des8
E-Rich
Lost from the start
GJ
Jackreallylovesjuggy
Lostgirl

Here was the last list of who believes Christian is alive. Add your name if you want to say I told you so!

sigh......you keep forgetting me
I told people to add themselves. Welcome to the list