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Re: The Purge
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2007, 11:06:24 PM »
I think Patchy, bea, ben and all of these people or the others/hostiles. There are no dharma left on the island. Not sure where Kelvin fits in. Could be the last dharma person on the island.

I think Danielle has never been part of dharma or the others. She has been by herself for 16 years.

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Re: The Purge
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2007, 11:09:45 PM »
GJ- were you drunk when you wrote this... it is incohesive and needs to be edited badly.  Maybe one you fix all the typo's and restructure this it may make sense, but for now.... I agree with WhatThe---"What?"

Look who's talking  ::) ;) :P  KIDDING!!  LOL

GJ is still one of the sites top theory posters and she can't spell or type to save her life  :D :D  We love her tho!!


I noticed that too. lol Thought it was funny.

Jules...it's ok we all love you just the same!  ;D GJ is an awesome friend of ours and we want to protect her. See how much love we have to offer?

I don't think any of our others are hostiles...just my opinion tho. I don't think we've met our hostiles yet  ;)

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Re: The Purge
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2007, 11:45:41 PM »
I think most of Ben's group (except Juliet) are the "Hostiles" - native to the island in some way shape or form. However, I'm still having a hard time trying to figure out how anyone could have lived there for their "entire life" as Ben said he was. It just doesn't seem conducive to supporting a community (pre-Dharma, at least).

Let's believe for a moment that Ben and possibly others have always been on the island. How are they supported? Where did they get food (B.D. - Before Dharma)? Did they live on mangos and pineapple? What did they do?

Or, is it something more...something about the island itself? Is it a portal? Multi-Dimensions? Parallel Universes? When Ben says he has lived on the island his whole life, maybe he has, but maybe it was just been in a different world. Maybe Dharma came in and somehow got the "Hostiles" stuck there, in our universe or dimension (ooh! Maybe it was "The Incident!").

I'm getting a little too Dr. Who here. Just can't figure it out.

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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2007, 11:50:47 PM »
When did Ben say he had been on the island his whole life? I must have missed that. The only problem I have with the whole hostile thing is ...
If they are hostiles how were they able to get all the info from the mainland about out Losties?  Remember that file they pulled out on Jack. Wouldn't Dharma know who they put on the island... and wouldn't they only give info to those people. This is where I don't buy the hostile's took over part. 
Anyone else feel the same here?

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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2007, 11:52:21 PM »
He told Jack that when he was trying to convince Jack to do the surgery.During the first 6 eps this past fall.

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« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2007, 01:07:41 AM »
When did Ben say he had been on the island his whole life? I must have missed that. The only problem I have with the whole hostile thing is ...
If they are hostiles how were they able to get all the info from the mainland about out Losties?  Remember that file they pulled out on Jack. Wouldn't Dharma know who they put on the island... and wouldn't they only give info to those people. This is where I don't buy the hostile's took over part. 
Anyone else feel the same here?
i feel the same way.  i'm still not buying 2 groups.  sorry guys.  i think dharma came on the island, led by jacob (whom i think is ben's father), they built all the hatches and all the stuff, had all the drops established, developed a community.  in this time ben was born.  (i wonder if anyone else was born on the island, my theory is no, ben is the only one)  people were recruited as needed.  ie:  no one wanted the menial job of button pusher, so they went out and got kelvin.  they needed a communications specialisit (ie someone to raise the cows so they can have milk and beef--where do you think juliet got the hamburger meat for the hamburger she gave jack) so they got patchy.  they are making their own utopia.  at times people have crashed on the island, some have died, some have acclimated with the dharmites (desmond) others have chosen their own path (danielle).  but i still think dharma is the others.  and there is not another group.

the "hostiles" i think was just a story.  i think it was patchy's way of "feeling" sayid to see how much he and kate knew.  and he probably knew enough about locke (they've been watching him in that hatch for how long?  tinkering with the computer) to know he would be fascinated with the game.  the game would SAY he won.  (because of screencaps we know locke did not really win).  then give him the prompts, and knowing locke like WE do, (the others do also), they KNEW he would choose 77, simply because he had heard the story about the "hostiles" and he thought 77 would bring some form of communication with the outside world.

there's my view.  i reserve the right to change it at any time under any circumstances for any reason or even without reason.

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Re: The Purge
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2007, 01:26:51 AM »
In the last scene when Sayid is walking patchy into the woods and Danielle pops up behind them, Sayid asks Patchy about being attacked by a group of scientists just as Danielle pops up (who was part of a group of scientists on an expedition).  When she speaks there is a look of recognition and possibly terror on Patchy's face.  I believe that there is a lot more to Danielle than we are led to believe.  I do not think she is the benevolent jungle woman she is made out to be, I think she is far more sinister.

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Re: The Purge
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2007, 03:43:00 AM »
I believe that there is a lot more to Danielle than we are led to believe.  I do not think she is the benevolent jungle woman she is made out to be, I think she is far more sinister.
Just crossed my mind now, if Danielle is the REAL last living member of Dharma.

Dharma invaded their island.
This detail is very unlikely. If they had the power to destroy Dharma Initiative facilities, why didn't they destroyed the invaders prior to the building simply and took the resources?

Jules,

Just so you know, GJ is an all time favorite of everyone around here. So messing with her, is like messing with all of us. :D You will find her a great theorist. She is the best.

Keep posting and I like what you have had to say so far.

GJ posting buddy,

Juggy

OK Jugdish, you sound like a bully that threathen people backed up by your mob, because it's the only way you can feel MACHO.
Before getting all mighty think if those people can't play the same way and go in number against you.
Be more mature.

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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2007, 04:41:52 AM »
I think there were people on the island before Dharma.  Dharma struck a deal with the natives to use their island, but when the action started the natives were not expecting the volume and magnitude of the changes Dharma created.

Perhaps, the natives lived rather naively with the mysteries of the island while Dharma was busy harnessing the powers and changing life as the natives had known... the natives rebelled and Dharma quickly built a facillity to house then and keep them out of their hair... hence the fence... it was to keep the natives in... 

The island is an entity unto its self and it reacted as well to Dharma...

The "purge" could have been the Dharma folk gathering up the natives and putting them in a protected secure compound, or it could have been when the island assisted the natives in fighting back and reclaiming their territory...

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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2007, 06:39:53 AM »
I believe that there is a lot more to Danielle than we are led to believe.  I do not think she is the benevolent jungle woman she is made out to be, I think she is far more sinister.
Just crossed my mind now, if Danielle is the REAL last living member of Dharma.

Dharma invaded their island.
This detail is very unlikely. If they had the power to destroy Dharma Initiative facilities, why didn't they destroyed the invaders prior to the building simply and took the resources?

Jules,

Just so you know, GJ is an all time favorite of everyone around here. So messing with her, is like messing with all of us. :D You will find her a great theorist. She is the best.

Keep posting and I like what you have had to say so far.

GJ posting buddy,

Juggy

OK Jugdish, you sound like a bully that threathen people backed up by your mob, because it's the only way you can feel MACHO.
Before getting all mighty think if those people can't play the same way and go in number against you.
Be more mature.

Opt....Stop this please. It was a natural misunderstanding between Jules and GJ and the regulars here were simply protecting someone they love dearly. Jules is very well liked and accepted here, as are most all people.

LB...I agree that someone knew Locke would enjoy "beating" the computer. After all "it" has done to him and everything. lol

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Re: The Purge
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2007, 06:47:03 AM »
I think there were people on the island before Dharma.  Dharma struck a deal with the natives to use their island, but when the action started the natives were not expecting the volume and magnitude of the changes Dharma created.

Perhaps, the natives lived rather naively with the mysteries of the island while Dharma was busy harnessing the powers and changing life as the natives had known... the natives rebelled and Dharma quickly built a facillity to house then and keep them out of their hair... hence the fence... it was to keep the natives in... 

The island is an entity unto its self and it reacted as well to Dharma...

The "purge" could have been the Dharma folk gathering up the natives and putting them in a protected secure compound, or it could have been when the island assisted the natives in fighting back and reclaiming their territory...
I don't agree only with the part that they held the others prisoner. I'm more with the idea that those experiments you said blew a rebellion, that not only make the others purge the Dharma on the island (may explain Roger Workman), but also make them take the whole Hanso Foundation, ergo the NO-PAST Dr. Mittlewerk, who is born in the island same way is Ben.

Opt....Stop this please. It was a natural misunderstanding between Jules and GJ and the regulars here were simply protecting someone they love dearly. Jules is very well liked and accepted here, as are most all people.
I see. I learned this protection tjing, you tell, is intimidation. Must be a cultural difference between the places we were raised.
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Re: The Purge
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2007, 08:16:43 AM »
The writers have said (in a podcast) that there are two groups of Others. Now, that could mean "two groups within themselves" (like when Juliet said that some of her colleagues were getting tired of Ben and so she wanted Jack to kill him). Or, without over-analyzing, it could mean two actual groups. Hostiles. Dharma.

I wouldn't get too caught up in the term "Hostiles." If any of these theories are remotely true, I'm sure that's just a term coined by Dharma. If I WERE a native to that island, and IF someone came along and took over, I might get a little hostile too.

Elaborating on the theory that there were people on the island pre-Dharma...I wonder if it's possible that the hatch structures were actually theirs first? I.e, Dharma didn't come in and build them...they took them over (perhaps cooperatively at first?).


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« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2007, 08:58:09 AM »
Based upon what Lindelhof has been saying in the podcasts and what we saw last season, I'm still sticking with the Dharma Initiative splitting into two opposing philosophical forces. A civil war took place and Ben's group won.

Ben is a notorious liar and manipulator, so when he says that he has "been on this island all of his life" I just can't buy it. He's lied so many times now that I've lost count.

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« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2007, 09:11:55 AM »
When did Ben say he had been on the island his whole life? I must have missed that. The only problem I have with the whole hostile thing is ...
If they are hostiles how were they able to get all the info from the mainland about out Losties?  Remember that file they pulled out on Jack. Wouldn't Dharma know who they put on the island... and wouldn't they only give info to those people. This is where I don't buy the hostile's took over part. 
Anyone else feel the same here?
i feel the same way.  i'm still not buying 2 groups.  sorry guys.  i think dharma came on the island, led by jacob (whom i think is ben's father), they built all the hatches and all the stuff, had all the drops established, developed a community.  in this time ben was born.  (i wonder if anyone else was born on the island, my theory is no, ben is the only one)  people were recruited as needed.  ie:  no one wanted the menial job of button pusher, so they went out and got kelvin.  they needed a communications specialisit (ie someone to raise the cows so they can have milk and beef--where do you think juliet got the hamburger meat for the hamburger she gave jack) so they got patchy.  they are making their own utopia.  at times people have crashed on the island, some have died, some have acclimated with the dharmites (desmond) others have chosen their own path (danielle).  but i still think dharma is the others.  and there is not another group.

the "hostiles" i think was just a story.  i think it was patchy's way of "feeling" sayid to see how much he and kate knew.  and he probably knew enough about locke (they've been watching him in that hatch for how long?  tinkering with the computer) to know he would be fascinated with the game.  the game would SAY he won.  (because of screencaps we know locke did not really win).  then give him the prompts, and knowing locke like WE do, (the others do also), they KNEW he would choose 77, simply because he had heard the story about the "hostiles" and he thought 77 would bring some form of communication with the outside world.

there's my view.  i reserve the right to change it at any time under any circumstances for any reason or even without reason.


Pretty much my thoughts exactly, thanks for typing so I didn't have to.  If there are two groups, I believe it is a result of a factioning of the original Dharma group, perhaps after the "incident."  

As a side note, I think Danielle is either a plant and her story is bogus or she is an exiled Dharma member.  Bet we see her with the mark also.  In her flashback, we'll see ben send her out after the crash or see what she did to be kicked out - like kill a few of their own scientists.  Either way, I don't buy her story anymore after her behavior in thsi episode.  In fact, she may have even been a participant in the purge.

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Re: The Purge
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2007, 10:28:43 AM »
I believe that there is a lot more to Danielle than we are led to believe.  I do not think she is the benevolent jungle woman she is made out to be, I think she is far more sinister.
Just crossed my mind now, if Danielle is the REAL last living member of Dharma.

Dharma invaded their island.
This detail is very unlikely. If they had the power to destroy Dharma Initiative facilities, why didn't they destroyed the invaders prior to the building simply and took the resources?

Jules,

Just so you know, GJ is an all time favorite of everyone around here. So messing with her, is like messing with all of us. :D You will find her a great theorist. She is the best.

Keep posting and I like what you have had to say so far.

GJ posting buddy,

Juggy

OK Jugdish, you sound like a bully that threathen people backed up by your mob, because it's the only way you can feel MACHO.
Before getting all mighty think if those people can't play the same way and go in number against you.
Be more mature.

Opt....Stop this please. It was a natural misunderstanding between Jules and GJ and the regulars here were simply protecting someone they love dearly. Jules is very well liked and accepted here, as are most all people.

LB...I agree that someone knew Locke would enjoy "beating" the computer. After all "it" has done to him and everything. lol

You obviously did not read my post. I was nice, complimentary and used a smiley face.



I want to believe what they tell us on the show. It is usually correct. I think what patchy said is true except that he was never part of dharma. I just can't come up with a reason why the others let dharma on the island. I need to come up with a reason for this before I am more convincing in my arguement.