Multiple Parallel Universes -MPU's (new theory from a new member...long)

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Excellent theory, and well presented.

If supported, the evidence of the duplicate photo of Penny & Des, in which Penny's shirt is a different color in each copy, is one of the best pieces of evidence for the MPU hypothesis in the show so far.

If there were two photos (like at a photo booth), it's a good way to explain two copies of a photo taken at the same location in time and space that manage to show different subjects.

And if there was only one photo, then having a 'time-twin' copy is an even simpler way to explain the paradoxical existence of two identical photos.

(can somebody fact-check this and make sure the shirts are a different color in each photo?- and determine the net number of photos seen on the show?)

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Another (unsupported) speculation regarding Ms. Hawking that may interest you: it looks like the actress was wearing colorshift contact lenses that made her eyes a very specific shade of blue.

Specifically, the specific shade of blue of Penny Widmore's eyes.

If this occurred, the deliberately altering the actress' eyes to match Penny's opens up the interesting notion that Ms. Hawking could be a 'future self' or alternate timeline self of Des' fiancee.

Good stuff to think about here. Would you care to repost this over into the Spoiler section of theories?

[T Mack]

Excellent theory, and well presented.

If supported, the evidence of the duplicate photo of Penny & Des, in which Penny's shirt is a different color in each copy, is one of the best pieces of evidence for the MPU hypothesis in the show so far.

If there were two photos (like at a photo booth), it's a good way to explain two copies of a photo taken at the same location in time and space that manage to show different subjects.

And if there was only one photo, then having a 'time-twin' copy is an even simpler way to explain the paradoxical existence of two identical photos.

(can somebody fact-check this and make sure the shirts are a different color in each photo?- and determine the net number of photos seen on the show?)

Yes, the two photos were posted on another site side by side.  Differences:
-Penny is wearing a white shirt in one photo, a black shirt in another photo (which makes this even more mysterious)
-The location of Penny's head on Des's shoulder was different in both pics
-Desmond's smile was different in both pics

But the real kicker- In the season end 2, the photo is shown on Penny's nightstand.  The same photo as was in the hatch with Des.  No copies of the photo were made (shown to us).  How could the picture exist in two locations at once?  Answer?  In another thread in time, one which we haven't seen, Penny does not give Des the picture after she buys it from the vendor, but keeps it for herself. (cue Twilight Zone music).

[LostGirlDeb]

Excellent theory, and well presented.

If supported, the evidence of the duplicate photo of Penny & Des, in which Penny's shirt is a different color in each copy, is one of the best pieces of evidence for the MPU hypothesis in the show so far.

If there were two photos (like at a photo booth), it's a good way to explain two copies of a photo taken at the same location in time and space that manage to show different subjects.

And if there was only one photo, then having a 'time-twin' copy is an even simpler way to explain the paradoxical existence of two identical photos.

(can somebody fact-check this and make sure the shirts are a different color in each photo?- and determine the net number of photos seen on the show?)

Yes, the two photos were posted on another site side by side.  Differences:
-Penny is wearing a white shirt in one photo, a black shirt in another photo (which makes this even more mysterious)
-The location of Penny's head on Des's shoulder was different in both pics
-Desmond's smile was different in both pics

But the real kicker- In the season end 2, the photo is shown on Penny's nightstand.  The same photo as was in the hatch with Des.  No copies of the photo were made (shown to us).  How could the picture exist in two locations at once?  Answer?  In another thread in time, one which we haven't seen, Penny does not give Des the picture after she buys it from the vendor, but keeps it for herself. (cue Twilight Zone music).

I think the first set of photos are probably just a prop error but who knows?  Black and white? Ying yang?
But the 2nd set (one on Penny's nightstand and the other that Des holds) that can only be explained with the "other thread of time" unless later on they show us that copies were made but until then... (more twilight Zone music) 

[thebeann]

Excellent theory, and well presented.

If supported, the evidence of the duplicate photo of Penny & Des, in which Penny's shirt is a different color in each copy, is one of the best pieces of evidence for the MPU hypothesis in the show so far.

If there were two photos (like at a photo booth), it's a good way to explain two copies of a photo taken at the same location in time and space that manage to show different subjects.

And if there was only one photo, then having a 'time-twin' copy is an even simpler way to explain the paradoxical existence of two identical photos.

(can somebody fact-check this and make sure the shirts are a different color in each photo?- and determine the net number of photos seen on the show?)

Yes, the two photos were posted on another site side by side.  Differences:
-Penny is wearing a white shirt in one photo, a black shirt in another photo (which makes this even more mysterious)
-The location of Penny's head on Des's shoulder was different in both pics
-Desmond's smile was different in both pics

But the real kicker- In the season end 2, the photo is shown on Penny's nightstand.  The same photo as was in the hatch with Des.  No copies of the photo were made (shown to us).  How could the picture exist in two locations at once?  Answer?  In another thread in time, one which we haven't seen, Penny does not give Des the picture after she buys it from the vendor, but keeps it for herself. (cue Twilight Zone music).

I think the first set of photos are probably just a prop error but who knows?  Black and white? Ying yang?
But the 2nd set (one on Penny's nightstand and the other that Des holds) that can only be explained with the "other thread of time" unless later on they show us that copies were made but until then... (more twilight Zone music) 

I hope this isn't just a blatant prop error. With all the attention to detail given, I would think something like this would be relatively obvious. When you consider the discrepancy of Penny having the photo but also Des having the photo (assuming only one copy), it would be a really big prop error.

That is, of course...if Desmond WASN'T just dreaming!

I'm still torn a little...do we really know that the show-stopper for 3X8 (according to the producers) is the flashback? Or could it be the idea of the universe always getting what it wants (i.e., Charlie will die)?

I like the MPU theory because it allows for some time/space "issues" (anomaliess?) without getting into true time travel. However, I'm not convinced that the color of Ms Hawkin's eyes are more than just a coincidence.

[Jugdish]

Very interesting theory. And it is my theory on the whispering you used. I feel honored

your one post a couple back on the Picture being in Penny's home compared to des having the picture: My question is then Penny is looking for Des in a different time thread then we are seeing. The people in the snowglobe place called Penny with the picutre with Des, are we ever going to see her save our losties?

[LostGirlDeb]

Very interesting theory. And it is my theory on the whispering you used. I feel honored

your one post a couple back on the Picture being in Penny's home compared to des having the picture: My question is then Penny is looking for Des in a different time thread then we are seeing. The people in the snowglobe place called Penny with the picutre with Des, are we ever going to see her save our losties?

Wow that is a good question Jug
But wouldn't they also be in the same time thread at some point too?  In which case she would possibly be able to find him?
MPU experts we neeeeed you

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Re: the EMP discharge (violet light). I think the activation of the failsafe implies that the EMP discharge was not completed, as initially stated.

What we're seeing is the aftermath of letting the anomaly build up to full strength, only to be cut off by Desmond's actions- a partial 'apocalypse'.

What will be interesting to see will be that now that the walls have been broken down, the barriers to entry  lowered -(due to the EMP discharge and implosion of the hatch)- will the Losties (other than Desmond) be able to reach out to these other universes where the whispers are, or are they limited because they aren't "special"- like Walt and Desmond?  Will the whispers get louder now or go away that the EMP discharge is complete?  No more pushing buttons that cause small releases of magnetism- the full blast happened, ripped open the fabric of time, and now we wait for the consequences.

Would a partial discharge (under the MPU hypothesis) further break down the barriers between universes, or would it remove the 'breach' that already existed between them?

Until we get further observation of objective phenomena on the island, I won't assume the Swan station prevented 'time-bleed' between universes. The station may have been built to deliberately cause breaches in time, for experimentation and exploitation (stock market prediction for Widmore, Mittelos, and Paik, at the very least).


 

[T Mack]

Another (unsupported) speculation regarding Ms. Hawking that may interest you: it looks like the actress was wearing colorshift contact lenses that made her eyes a very specific shade of blue.

Good catch I'll go back and take another look.

Good stuff to think about here. Would you care to repost this over into the Spoiler section of theories?

Not sure what you mean by this?

[T Mack]

your one post a couple back on the Picture being in Penny's home compared to des having the picture: My question is then Penny is looking for Des in a different time thread then we are seeing. The people in the snowglobe place called Penny with the picutre with Des, are we ever going to see her save our losties?

Not sure if we will see her save them, but she is looking...for sure she realizes (somehow), either from Des telling her to watch for a magnetic anomalie (he tells her this in another time thread, perhaps, or it's a Widmore secret that she finds out) but she knows that the EMP will rip time and space such that the emission is "seen" by the two scientists in the snowglobe.  (I really think they are just in the antarctic where it is easier to pick up the emmission).  Once she locates the source/position of the emission perhaps now there is a way to enter that 'ripped fabric' of time so that she can locate the island and find Des.

[T Mack]

Re: the EMP discharge (violet light). I think the activation of the failsafe implies that the EMP discharge was not completed, as initially stated.

We won't know, without further empirical evidence, as you have stated, its mostly just speculation at this point. But from a storytelling perspective, I think it's an all or nothing proposition- either the EMP discharge (which we saw- purple sky and all) either will greatly affect the island and its inhabitants, or it will do nothing at all.  I find it hard to believe that such a story buildup as the "magnetic sky" incident would result in a completely anticlimactic result- nothing.

What we're seeing is the aftermath of letting the anomaly build up to full strength, only to be cut off by Desmond's actions- a partial 'apocalypse'.

See above, I seriously doubt this.  "There will be major consequences of the failsafe key being turned", to quote Lindeloff from the podcast.

Would a partial discharge (under the MPU hypothesis) further break down the barriers between universes, or would it remove the 'breach' that already existed between them?

Not sure but I think partial is unlikely.  The partial discharges were already happening every 108 minutes BEFORE the failsafe key was turned, and we didn't see anything that was a game changer, although we did see weird anomalies, like the whispers.

Until we get further observation of objective phenomena on the island, I won't assume the Swan station prevented 'time-bleed' between universes. The station may have been built to deliberately cause breaches in time, for experimentation and exploitation (stock market prediction for Widmore, Mittelos, and Paik, at the very least).

Very interesting observation, indeed.

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Good stuff to think about here. Would you care to repost this over into the Spoiler section of theories?
Not sure what you mean by this?

Just that we're using stuff like the valenzetti equation and other 'Lost experience' material for evidence, which not everyone may want to know about.

Of course, the problem with the spoiler section is that people use future episode titles, casting choices, etc., to aid their research, which is definitely not what I want to know either.

I retract my request- I think it's fine using anything revealed in the 3 seasons so far, including the Gary Troup book and the Lost Experience, in the spoiler free section.

[Jugdish]

your one post a couple back on the Picture being in Penny's home compared to des having the picture: My question is then Penny is looking for Des in a different time thread then we are seeing. The people in the snowglobe place called Penny with the picutre with Des, are we ever going to see her save our losties?

Not sure if we will see her save them, but she is looking...for sure she realizes (somehow), either from Des telling her to watch for a magnetic anomalie (he tells her this in another time thread, perhaps, or it's a Widmore secret that she finds out) but she knows that the EMR will rip time and space such that the emission is "seen" by the two scientists in the snowglobe.  (I really think they are just in the antarctic where it is easier to pick up the emmission).  Once she locates the source/position of the emission perhaps now there is a way to enter that 'ripped fabric' of time so that she can locate the island and find Des.

I am looking for your guidance here. So say Penny saves Desmond in one thread of time, he could still be on the island in another thread?

Can the parallel threads ever merge to one?

[LostGirlDeb]

your one post a couple back on the Picture being in Penny's home compared to des having the picture: My question is then Penny is looking for Des in a different time thread then we are seeing. The people in the snowglobe place called Penny with the picutre with Des, are we ever going to see her save our losties?

Not sure if we will see her save them, but she is looking...for sure she realizes (somehow), either from Des telling her to watch for a magnetic anomalie (he tells her this in another time thread, perhaps, or it's a Widmore secret that she finds out) but she knows that the EMR will rip time and space such that the emission is "seen" by the two scientists in the snowglobe.  (I really think they are just in the antarctic where it is easier to pick up the emmission).  Once she locates the source/position of the emission perhaps now there is a way to enter that 'ripped fabric' of time so that she can locate the island and find Des.

I am looking for your guidance here. So say Penny saves Desmond in one thread of time, he could still be on the island in another thread?

Can the parallel threads ever merge to one?

My guess is that they cannot, but I'm no expert
Anybody that can answer that?

[T Mack]

I am looking for your guidance here. So say Penny saves Desmond in one thread of time, he could still be on the island in another thread?Can the parallel threads ever merge to one?

Not for sure, but anything it seems can happen on this show.  I wouldn't be shocked at this point.  I still stand by the opinion that the island that we see currently is on "Earth time"...our time.  We will know this when we see the Tsunami of 2004 affect the island.  That will solve any lingering questions as to whether or not the island is in our current thread of time.  There can be no explanation other than that, if we see the Tsunami.  But the Red Sox winning the world series also solidified that idea as well- even though it was on videotape.

What will happen in other threads of time, is, shall we say, for the TPTB to determine.