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Re: Whose Tumor?
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2006, 12:23:43 PM »
If you watch the preview of 03X05 it appears that Jack is telling Benry about the tumor. This is the usual "promo-ploy" to make you think it's Benry's. I'd be willing to wager that it's definitely not Benry.

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Re: Whose Tumor?
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2006, 12:41:28 PM »
Good point buzmeg - it seems almost too easy.  I can see the scene now... Jack telling Ben all about the tumor with certinaty that it's his, and then Ben pulling off another "dramatic reveal" and telling him who it actually belongs to.


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Re: Whose Tumor?
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2006, 01:04:24 PM »
OK - try this: Jack knows that the best doctor they have is Juliet (fertility - can't operate).  The x-rays may or may not show a tumor - but Jack would know for sure.  He probably can tell the difference between say Sawyer's or Ben's x-rays.

Jack can tell Ben that he (or some other 40 yr old male) has an operable tumor, but he will refuse until Ben tells him that Sawyer and Kate will be released.

Jack is looking for a bargaining chip to get JKS out.

Ben may be better at cards than Sawyer, but who is better than Sawyer??

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Re: Whose Tumor?
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2006, 01:18:39 PM »
Locke's a helluva lot older than 40...lol

I still say it's Ben.

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Re: Whose Tumor?
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2006, 01:23:08 PM »
Btw, when Ben was asked if Jack should be realeased Ben wanted Jack to stay with Colleen's body awhile longer after she died on the operating table...he was trying to screw with Jack's head and his mentality as a doctor to see a "patient" die when he could have saved them...perhaps he's trying to set Jack up emotinally to not let another "patient"--Ben--die by refusing to operate?

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Re: Whose Tumor?
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2006, 01:33:49 PM »
Juggy has a point about the xRays possibly being older pics of Locke
but  i dont think it is Locke that need the operation

the tension is not there
he would operate on Locke with out having to be cohursed ( sp)  in any way

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Re: Whose Tumor?
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2006, 01:39:43 PM »
Juggy has a point about the xRays possibly being older pics of Locke
but  i dont think it is Locke that need the operation

the tension is not there
he would operate on Locke with out having to be cohursed ( sp)  in any way
Exactly...the only person on the entire island that would seem to cause Jack to hesitate on operating even a little would be Ben.

Not to mention that if Locke is walking around and the island has "cured" him, then Jack may not be in all that much of a hurry to operate, not to mention that Locke may just refuse the procedure...Locke seems far more willing to trust the island than to trust what the Others may say about him, especially after Ben lied to him and placed doubt into his mind concerning the importance of pushing the button.

No way it's Locke...and if it is, I'll be hugely disappointed.

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Re: Whose Tumor?
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2006, 05:47:24 PM »
Just an food for thought for those of you who haven't read the book "Of Mice and Men" by John Steinbeck (I know, I'm such a nerd)... there is a character named Crooks who coincidentally is called so because of his crooked spine... Now Benry started going off on some weird tangent towards the end of the episode when he was talking to Sawyer and says something like, "A guy goes nuts if he ain't got nobody.... blah blah blah, I tell ya a guy gets too lonely and he gets sick." <---- This line is actually a quote from Crooks in the book. Crooks = Benry?

Is this relevant or just a coinkidink put into play by TPTB? I honestly don't know, but there seems to me to be a connection or reason, given the mention of the novel and the title of the epi, for Ben saying that and why he needs Jack to change his perspective. (Spinal surgery anyone? Any back/spine specialists around?)

Thus, IMHO, I think that the x-rays showing the tumor on the L4 vertabrae could possibly belong to Benry. Not to mention Jack says something about it to Ben in the preview for next week. We'll find out sooner or later.

(Anyway, the line Benry says actually has more to do with individualism, isolation, and lost hope... which I'll start a thread about later when I have time... but hopefully this helps.)


I think that this discussion should go in a different thread, so I'm creating one on the books board where I'll quote you.

(I mean, it's relevant to this thread, too, but I thought that this book reference warranted its own discussion.)
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Re: Whose Tumor?
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2006, 06:16:03 PM »
Well thanks Cardacct... I was going to post something in the lost books/references forum a little later too when I fianlly get my thougts organized. I also wrote another thread called "No man is an island" that may also be better suited there as well... I'll probably PM Pandora when I have the time later this week cuz I'd love to help out with the book write-ups since I did one for "A tale of two cities" too... Thanks again!

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Re: Whose Tumor?
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2006, 07:37:31 PM »
Btw, when Ben was asked if Jack should be realeased Ben wanted Jack to stay with Colleen's body awhile longer after she died on the operating table...he was trying to screw with Jack's head and his mentality as a doctor to see a "patient" die when he could have saved them...perhaps he's trying to set Jack up emotinally to not let another "patient"--Ben--die by refusing to operate?

Do you think Ben was refering to Colleen or Juliet?

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« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2006, 10:16:35 PM »
Yeah, I didn't know if he meant with Colleen's body or with Juliet...that could be a wicked twist to it and I'm telling ya, these people are wicked twisted freaks. lol

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Re: Whose Tumor?
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2006, 12:57:54 AM »
Whoever it is, I just don't see how it's Locke's x-ray...

-- He's nearly 20 years older than that.

-- If they had an old x-ray, and it's something you can die from, would it take 20 years for you to die from it??

-- Where's the importance of keeping Locke alive for the Others? What vested interest do they have in him?

-- The most tension and good plotting comes from it being Ben's x-ray. And, if they're hinting in previews that it is Ben's -- and that's the most exciting option for us to contemplate -- then they're really doing themselves a disservice if it's someone else's x-ray. If it's Col's husband's or Zeke's ... well, we're going to be disappointed because we'll be thinking how cool the plot could have been if it had been Ben's.

I just don't see why they'd mislead us on this one, since any other option is a let-down, and they gotta know that...

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Re: Whose Tumor?
« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2006, 12:58:47 AM »
In the hatch, Ben says to Locke that he was there to take him.

What for?!!! ???

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Re: Whose Tumor?
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2006, 01:04:01 AM »
Ben was messing with Lockes Mind in the hatch 
it was a mental ploy 
at least that is my theory at this point

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Re: Whose Tumor?
« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2006, 05:21:03 AM »
I don't know, is everyone playing mind games with everyone... Let's consider the appearance of the x-ray is just a prop problem, and for the plot it's really a 40-yr old male.
Ok, three things Linus said that is bothering me... About con the con-man, he asking Ford's age and about not kill him YET.
Than there is the third thing... Why Sawyer? IF they just plan to force Jack to perform surgery, Kate wasn't enough? And more easy to handle?
Finally the last piece: the paddles. Yes, how they haven't a working paddle, but have a working X-Ray machine there? Maybe those x-rays are from the same delivery of the files they have on the losties.
And the con of the pacemaker is just a diversion for the others put in Sawyer something to use in the REAL con with the tumor.

ONE MORE THING: What is the mark on the side of the them? RC?
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