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Offline Zeke

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Kelvins must work for dharma (as an insider)
« on: May 29, 2006, 12:49:41 PM »
If Kelvin was out fixing Desmonds boat everytime he went out "exploring" then how did he know where each of the hatches were etc. Also Kelvin was going out without tools (or so we presume) so how was he putting the boat back together on his own. I think Kelvin was in with the "others" and was setting Desmond up. The obvious question that springs to mind is that why is he building the boat if hes an "other" and my answer is that he wanted Desmond to find the boat (he said it himself..."I wandered if you had the stones to follow me" so he obviously wanted/expected him to) to make desmond see/feel as if they were in a snow globe. Kelvin (at least i expect) fixed the compass he could have rigged it so he went round in a wide circle and eventually found the island again. Or at least thats what i think.
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Re: Kelvins must work for dharma
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2006, 02:04:32 PM »
I was wondering the same thing. First of all, how did kelvin get the boat in that little bay if it was in such bad condition? I bet the others little tug boat thing could have done the job. Kelvin also obviously knew Des was following him there, so why would he lead Des to his boat? Another thing is we know Kelvin is a trained military guy, are we suppose to believe Des could take him out so easily? Even if it was a supposed accident. It seems like Kelvin was just leading him on the whole time.

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Re: Kelvins must work for dharma
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2006, 02:24:24 PM »
I'm on the fence about this one myself. (whether Kelvin is/was with the Others or not)

Kelvin could be one of the others, but if he was, why did the Others leave the boat for Desmond to find once he got the Losties to take over pushing the button? It was 44 days, since the plane crashed (and he killed Kelvin) until they finally got into the hatch to meet Desmond. You'd think the Others would have moved the boat to their top secret location.

Desmond was military trained too, so I don't see him as an underdog with his fight with Kelvin.

As for Kelvin 'fixing up the boat', odd that it took him 3 years to do so - wasn't that the amount of time he and Desmond were together? (or was it 2 years? anyway, that's a long time to work on a boat, no?)

Kelvin's "Goodbye" was what triggered Desmond to follow him on that day, so he could have been leading Desmond, but why? Just to get him away from the hatch to crash a plane? I don't get that.

Like I said, LOL, I'm still on the fence about this one.

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Re: Kelvins must work for dharma
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2006, 03:32:02 PM »
Desmond was on the island three years you were right Nora. :)
Okay Kelvin did bow and make a sarcastic commnet about he he works for the almighty Dharma,like he's not pleased at a about workinf for them. I'd like to know why he left CIA Ops to work for Dharma and/or was there some other job in between..
but from what Kelvin said Rudinsky did most ofthe drawings on the map blast ddoor.And odd after three years he never showed them to Desmond.
Kelvin referred toThe Others as hostiles. Why? he told Desmond so little why even tel him this?Desmond showed he was a good follower and wasn't going to leave The Hatch.Did Kelvin have a falling out wit the others or did he really consider them hostile?

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Re: Kelvins must work for dharma
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2006, 02:25:25 AM »
I'd like to know why he left CIA Ops to work for Dharma and/or was there some other job in between..

 according to Kelvin " Because people followed my orders "

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Re: Kelvins must work for dharma
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2006, 08:52:16 AM »
I'd like to know why he left CIA Ops to work for Dharma and/or was there some other job in between..

 according to Kelvin " Because people followed my orders "


After your a spook and you 'retire', what else is there but a job that will make you disspear?

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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2006, 09:30:54 AM »
Personally, I think the others are Dharma/Hanso. They appear to be scientists and they are on the island, it does seem to fit.

I think Kelvin either works for Dharma/Hanso or a counter group.
The others (Fenry/Mr. Friendly, etc) might be a counter group.
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Re: Kelvins must work for dharma
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2006, 10:03:15 AM »
Personally, I think the others are Dharma/Hanso. They appear to be scientists and they are on the island, it does seem to fit.

I think Kelvin either works for Dharma/Hanso or a counter group.
The others (Fenry/Mr. Friendly, etc) might be a counter group.


This is the big question.  Are the others and hanso/dharma/widmore related?  Could be different story lines coming together or could be one big evil group.  I am beginning to agree with you black rock; I think that they are separate groups but like all other personal speculation...who knows?

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Re: Kelvins must work for dharma
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2006, 12:16:03 PM »
I'd like to know why he left CIA Ops to work for Dharma and/or was there some other job in between..

 according to Kelvin " Because people followed my orders "


After your a spook and you 'retire', what else is there but a job that will make you disspear?

Right on
Dharma recruiter " Mr Kelvin how does spending a year or so on a nice tropical island sound . Lots of sun and surf , allthe mac and cheese you can eat and a nice air conditioned house in the shady trees not far from the beach , does that sound good Mr Kelvin ? "

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Re: Kelvins must work for dharma
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2006, 12:21:49 PM »
HE said that he was recruited by dharma to work on craphole island. The job just sucked!

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Re: Kelvins must work for dharma
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2006, 12:44:10 PM »
HE said that he was recruited by dharma to work on craphole island. The job just sucked!

I don't know about that!  All the mac and cheese you can eat!

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Re: Kelvins must work for dharma
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2006, 11:20:27 PM »
The mac and cheese was a bonus.

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Re: Kelvins must work for dharma
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2006, 11:50:55 PM »
If you think about 'the list' that the others made for Michael. It was obviously the big troublemakers less Hurley who they sent back like the wounded sheep he always is. Pre-Lostie landing on craphole Isle, experiments lasted roughly 8 weeks. The losties have been on the Island for roughly 8 weeks. What if the experiment is being hindered by the troublemakers (walt, michael, sawyer, jack and kate?) These guys obviously do not accept their position on the Island. With the experiments in the hatches appearing to be regarding the length of time people will accept something because they are told to, and the trouble makers seemingly not accepting their circumstances, perhaps they are moving these people out. Which brings me to my point. Des was on the Island for 3 years doing exactly as he was told without asking many quesitons. perhaps they wanted him off the Island. His experiment was done...but he wouldnt leave, so they lead him to his boat to get him out of there. Des accepted his station on the Island where Kate, Jack etc.. are not Therefore, Kelvin works alongside 'the hostels'

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Re: Kelvins must work for dharma
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2006, 02:32:35 AM »
If you think about 'the list' that the others made for Michael. It was obviously the big troublemakers less Hurley who they sent back like the wounded sheep he always is. Pre-Lostie landing on craphole Isle, experiments lasted roughly 8 weeks. The losties have been on the Island for roughly 8 weeks. What if the experiment is being hindered by the troublemakers (walt, michael, sawyer, jack and kate?) These guys obviously do not accept their position on the Island.

What, exactly, are Michael, Sawyer, Jack and Kate's positions on the island? What is it they were supposed to be doing that they're not doing?


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With the experiments in the hatches appearing to be regarding the length of time people will accept something because they are told to, and the trouble makers seemingly not accepting their circumstances, perhaps they are moving these people out. Which brings me to my point. Des was on the Island for 3 years doing exactly as he was told without asking many quesitons. perhaps they wanted him off the Island. His experiment was done...but he wouldnt leave, so they lead him to his boat to get him out of there. Des accepted his station on the Island where Kate, Jack etc.. are not Therefore, Kelvin works alongside 'the hostels'

Your logic lost steam there. Desmond wanted out of the hatch in the worst way, but was ordered to stay inside. If they wanted him off the island they would have done what they did with Micheal: provided him his boat and directions on how to make it back to civilization. Not to mention that nobody from Dharma or Hanso or ANYONE has come by to tell them what they SHOULD be doing. So it's not like Kate, Jack and Sawyer purposefully decided not to follow orders or stay in their place.

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Re: Kelvins must work for dharma
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2006, 02:36:46 AM »
I would agree with WhatThe you theory is a very leaky bucket