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A Summary Of 6 Years Of "Lost"
« on: May 29, 2010, 08:37:58 PM »
I saw this on another site (Lostpedia, maybe?)...thought it did a great job of summing up "Lost" and it's 6 year run:


"First ...
The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...

Now...

Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.


In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding."

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Re: A Summary Of 6 Years Of "Lost"
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2010, 11:16:45 PM »
Thanks for the recap! The End was amazing as was all 6 seasons! Perfect ending to a perfect show!

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Re: A Summary Of 6 Years Of "Lost"
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2010, 07:27:04 AM »
is indeed a nice summary with some insides ...

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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2010, 12:15:55 PM »
It is a nice summary.

But where is he getting all this information about   

"For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it."

"I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it."

"(for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it)."

Is this a person that works there? Is this one of the writers?

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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2010, 12:49:01 PM »
Yeah, I'd love to know who wrote this.  They make it sound like they were in the room, but I doubt they were.  I like the summary for the most part, but I disagree with one thing.  I don't think Jacob drew the characters there to kill MIB.  I took it to be that the candidates were brought there because Jacob knew that MIB would eventually succeed in killing him and he needed a replacement.  If the replacement could find a way to kill MIB, something he was never able to do, that would be great, but he didn't seem like he was ever actively looking for a way to kill MIB, at least not like the way MIB was plotting to kill him.

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Re: A Summary Of 6 Years Of "Lost"
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2010, 01:16:51 PM »
Yeah I thought that too for a long time. However this writer DOES sound like he was in the room. The reason I am leaning on believing he (or she) may have been is that they are not making it TOO blatant that they were. It makes sense given what Jacob told the Candidates there at the bonfire. When asked how they would kill him, Jacob responded with, "I certainly hope so." Given that Jacob always liked to hold true to his hands off approach, it may have bee this was his intent the whole time. For a group of the people brought to the island would choose to attempt to kill MiB. Could be. I really like the summary though.

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Re: A Summary Of 6 Years Of "Lost"
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2010, 01:19:57 PM »
I read this on another site.  I think they confirmed that this person did work on Lost for like 3 years as an intern, but wasn't involved in the show at the end.

Honestly, I couldn't get past this when I tried to read it:

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Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.
The show never says until the end that Jacob is trying to kill MiB.  I think he was content to simply protect the island - that's just my own interpretation but I think this person is skewing things with his own interpretation.  Regardless....

MiB corrupting Ben?  Not sure I follow this.  From what I think we know, Ben was brought to the temple by Richard after Sayid shot him.  I think its safe to say Ben went for a swim in the fountain.  I don't think the fountain was linked in any way to MiB.  So how else is it that MiB corrupted Ben?  If Ben was corrupted, why wouldn't Jacob simply let it be known to The Others that someone else other than Ben was now in charge?

And when were the Others actively trying to kill the Candidates?  Seriously?  They had numerous opportunities to do so throughout the first several seasons (see the Ring of Fire episode or pretty much the entire time Jack, Sawyer and Kate were held captive - in fact, why then did the Others only have Michael bring them those three people?  Why not all the candidates?).

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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2010, 05:33:15 PM »
I read this on another site.  I think they confirmed that this person did work on Lost for like 3 years as an intern, but wasn't involved in the show at the end.

Honestly, I couldn't get past this when I tried to read it:

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Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.
The show never says until the end that Jacob is trying to kill MiB.  I think he was content to simply protect the island - that's just my own interpretation but I think this person is skewing things with his own interpretation.  Regardless....

MiB corrupting Ben?  Not sure I follow this.  From what I think we know, Ben was brought to the temple by Richard after Sayid shot him.  I think its safe to say Ben went for a swim in the fountain.  I don't think the fountain was linked in any way to MiB.  So how else is it that MiB corrupted Ben?  If Ben was corrupted, why wouldn't Jacob simply let it be known to The Others that someone else other than Ben was now in charge?

And when were the Others actively trying to kill the Candidates?  Seriously?  They had numerous opportunities to do so throughout the first several seasons (see the Ring of Fire episode or pretty much the entire time Jack, Sawyer and Kate were held captive - in fact, why then did the Others only have Michael bring them those three people?  Why not all the candidates?).
well the others brought jack so he could work on Ben, Kate to motivate Jack, and Sawyer to motivate Kate.

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Re: A Summary Of 6 Years Of "Lost"
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2010, 06:02:36 PM »
Quite the motivator, that Sawyer...   ;)

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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2010, 09:40:42 PM »
Oh, Sawyer....*sigh*...I miss Lost...

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« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2010, 08:59:19 AM »
My question is, Did Jacob bring the army and the bomb?  I never see that goup mentioned.

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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2010, 11:52:27 AM »
My question is, Did Jacob bring the army and the bomb?  I never see that goup mentioned.

the nuke or the freighter ?

 

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« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2010, 06:11:11 PM »
I got the impression they were just more of the same... more people who just accidentally stumbled upon the island.  Army people out looking for another Bikini Atoll to do some testing on, and they found our island...

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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2010, 01:47:02 PM »
I saw this on another site (Lostpedia, maybe?)...thought it did a great job of summing up "Lost" and it's 6 year run:


"First ...
The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I have been a subscriber that the island was the key character here and that it in fact had more to do with actions than most would give it.  The island created the Smokey, not Jacob.  Jacob gave his brother what he wanted to be in the light to have the light bring him home.  Ironically he was held captive by his own selfish desires.
Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB.
~~~~~Funny because I do not perceive that was Jacob’s intent, if correct Jacob made it clear that he brought them to prove his brother wrong, for his brother, like the “mother” believed they came corrupted and killed.  Jacob even in his discussion with Richard pretty much said the same thing.  He brought people there to prove his brother wrong.  Additionally  Smokey wanted to kill Jacob and said as much and said one day he would find the loophole.  He did and achieved that through one person, John Locke.   Candidates were brought to protect the island from Smokey and other people coming for the light. 
I will agree in the end Jacob said that they must get rid of Smokey, but that was so he would not be able to destroy the light and the island.  As that was Smokey’s intent after he killed Jacob.

He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.
~~~~~~~~No I would not say that, I think Smokey killed people before they could destroy or hurt.  I do not believe that all the candidates were there for the mere fact of killing Smokey. 

Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.
~~~~~~~~I do not see how Dharma was there to kill Smokey.  This is not logical, they kept Smokey out.  I am of the belief that Dharma was a Widmore (the others) invite to explore the islands “abilities”.  Richard was there to make sure the rules were adhered to and if one recalls the fact that Dharmaville had secret entrances into the “others” tunnels etc.  well, it makes more sense that they were there not to kill anyone but to learn and reap benefits of the island.  The other fact is the bodies, there was a big deal about the bodies being buried and based on what we now know the bodies could have been used by MIB to do his dirty work, so they needed them buried.  Smokey was looking for the right loophole and none were presented to him since Richard had come to the island.   Ben’s mother may just been her spirit after all, and not that of Smokey.  He was brought to Richard and the others not to Smokey to be corrupted or anything.  Ben had his flaws from the start.  He was brought to the others and not Smokey.
Ben’s motives I believe were his and his alone. I am not sure that he was given orders by Jacob through Richard to do half the things he did.  I think Ben did many things on his own, based on what he thought was good for the island.   Ben was manipulated by Smokey after he came back as John Locke

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben.
Again I do not believe that MIB manipulated Ben until the very end.  Dharma, again, was brought there for other reasons and not anything to do with Jacob and his brother.
 Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.
~~~~~~~~~Granted the answer of Dharma was not placed to rest, but in watching the show, my speculation that Widmore know of Dharma and was involved becomes qualified when he has information that Gault, Keamy and members of the Scientific team had.  Widmore knew more about Dharma and even coming back he knew of the electromagnetic fields etc.  Granted one can play the other point and say he lived there during that time, but he was also going off the island and his associates were wide and far.  So what is to say he was not behind this?  Anyway Dharma was not there for manipulating Smokey it was there for the sole purpose to exploit the islands natural resources and abilities in a friendly scientific manner.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun. 
~~~~~~~~Jacob all along wanted folks to figure things out on their own and he gave Richard a job to help them see things that they might not have seen before.  Agreed he gave the Losties the chance he was never provided.  But how can you say that is how the writers view it if they won’t  admit that is how it was written;/

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...

~~~~~~~~~~~Yeah, not sure Jack was that benevolent in the start. I think Jack was trying to keep things peaceful and he did what he saw was right because Jack always did the right thing.

Now...

Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.
~~~~~~~~Do you mean concept the writers created?  If so I am more thinking that they told a story through some religious “tones” more than it was some religious story along.  As viewers I think we put more into the religious tone. 

It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

~~~~~~Correct basically it is easy these folks bonded and it was so profound that they found a way to continue that into their afterlife.  It was a nice way for a “happy” ending and having everyone together.
Through adversity this group connected and no matter what they were meant to cross each others paths. I am not sure I would go as far as God or the universe as this is just a TV show, but maybe the writers were brought together to make us think a bit more.

BTW I think you gave this some good thought I just, like we all do have a different view ;-D