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Offline Bradislost09

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Just had to share my final thoughts
« on: May 25, 2010, 05:57:11 PM »
My thoughts on the ending of the LOST series.

I decided to write this mainly for myself. I just wanted to make an attempt to translate my feeling of disappointment into words.

I have been an avid watcher of LOST since mid way through season two. Once I heard that people, whose opinions I respect, were digging the show, I decided to give it a shot. I watched all of season one and half of season two on DVD in about 3 weeks time. I then watched the remainder of season two in real time like everyone else. This means I have watched this every Tuesday since 2005. I even took half days off of work for the premiere and the finale of seasons 4, 5 and 6. My point being that I really liked the show and grew to expect a lot from the writers.

My favorite thing about the show was the writer’s ability to surprise me. The unexpected is what makes good things become great. Think about the things you find the funniest. It is mostly something happening that you did not expect. As a matter of fact, when humor fails, it is usually because it was predictable. This is the same with all great drama as well. Season two opened with Desmond waking up and fixing himself a protein shake. We were then blown away when the camera panned up to reveal that he was in the hatch. Season three opened with the book club meeting that surprisingly ended up being on the island. We get to see Oceanic 815 split above their heads. The premiere of season 4 shows what we think is a flashback of Jack and it turns out that he is actually off of the island. I consider myself to be a fairly intuitive person. I constantly marveled at the writer’s ability to do something that I could not foresee. I think this concept partly led to my disappointment with the finale.

After season three, the Damon and Carlton (the main writers) said that they were going to have a new method of storytelling for each season. It started with the Flashbacks. It then turned into flash forwards. This then led to the island literally flashing forward and backward through time. It also led to half of our story being in the present and half of our story being in the past but both being those characters present. You have to be a fan of the show to understand that sentence. The writers then had to think of a new storytelling element for season 6. They also had to think of a way to do something in the premiere that none of us would guess. Having 10+ million of the most analytical fans to dupe is not a small task.

This led to the flash sideways. What did the flash sideways accomplish? It was a new form of storytelling and something that none of us would have ever guessed. I am not saying that I did not like the flash sideways. I am just saying that the writers should not have made the flash sideways the focal point of the story. The last 20 minutes of the finale resolved the flash sideways. I was always one of those people who knew that we would not have an answer to all of the questions. I did not even demand answers. I thought we would never know who created the island or why it was created. I could lump this into us not knowing why man or the earth was created. Some things just are. I could have cared less if they tried to explain the whispers. But here are a few things I think we deserved to know.

1) What were the rules that governed Ben and Widmores relationship?
2) Who the hell is Eloise Hawking and why did she always seem to know exactly what was going on?
3) How did the Donkey wheel work and why did it dump you in the middle of the Desert?
4) Why was the time on the island different than the rest of the world?
5) Why did the oceanic 6 have to make the Ajira site as close to the Oceanic flight as possible?
6) Why did some of those people go back in time and others did not.
7) I could go on and on and on….


I feel like anything could of happened during the course of the show and we were just supposed to accept it. The only question the writers felt like they had to answer was, “What is the flash sideways.” I have news for the writers. WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE SHOW FOR 5 ½ ****ING YEARS BEFORE THE FLASH SIDEWAYS EXISTED! In the middle of season three they could have had Sawyer grown a third arm out of his chest that looked a lot like Jacobs arm and offer no explanation for it at all.


Just for the record. When other people were disappointed with episodes, I was always the one saying to give the writers a chance. When people did not like where the show was headed or said it was too confusing, I preached that it would all make sense in the end. I was wrong. I was let down.

I will always have fond memories of getting together with my cousin and watching the show. Debating theories with others. Looking forward to watching TV in an era when everything else was just damn stupid. And, listening to the writer’s podcasts. I do not feel like I wasted my time watching the show, I just wish the writers would not have let the desire to shock us write them into a corner. Goodbye LOST. It has been unreal.

I am not going to proof read this so I am sorry about the mistakes.

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Re: Just had to share my final thoughts
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2010, 08:15:47 PM »
Thanks for the well articukated comment. I agree wholehearedly.
I felt with all the unanswered questions having "Across the Sea 'throwing a spin on everything  and having us focus on  too much with no time left in the show was unfair. I am grateful to the writers for creative writing, beautiful music, great acting  and as much so for all the bright and insightful fans.  I so much enjoyed the respectful discourse among all the contributers to sites such as this one.
I am in awe as to the brainpower that so many of the fans have.  Nothing got by this group and if things needed translating or researched , screencaps produced, web sites to check out  someone rose to the challenge.
So goodby lost fans, you have been like an extended family, thanks for all your wonderful ideas and words....The gauntlet has been thrown, some of you creative ones, write the next great t.v. series.  I will be waiting!

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Re: Just had to share my final thoughts
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2010, 08:31:37 PM »
I think this might be the first time that Bradislost09 and I ever agreed 100% on anything LOST related.  What a pity it had to be such a sad thing to agree on!

I feel like anything could of happened during the course of the show and we were just supposed to accept it. The only question the writers felt like they had to answer was, “What is the flash sideways.” I have news for the writers. WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE SHOW FOR 5 ½ ****ING YEARS BEFORE THE FLASH SIDEWAYS EXISTED! In the middle of season three they could have had Sawyer grown a third arm out of his chest that looked a lot like Jacobs arm and offer no explanation for it at all.
When I read the Wired article where the writers said that (which for me was after the finale), my face contorted into an expression that combined anger, confusion, and sadness.  And gas.

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Re: Just had to share my final thoughts
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2010, 08:34:11 PM »
All valid points.  I guess I just got past the point of demanding or wanting answers to some of this.  The Flash sideways was almost completely detached from the rest of the story, until the finale.  Really, it was a season long red herring to have us trying to figure out what the heck happened when Jughead went off.  If they had introduced it in the finale it would have almost been just as effective at conveying its ultimate purpose - only the Alt. characters awakenings wouldn't have been as impactful or as emotional as they were having built them up for the whole season.  

From a production standpoint, I have to think that perhaps its cheaper to go and film in urban settings instead of on the beach or in the middle of the jungle.  Hence, from a financial standpoint, Lost may have been harder to pull off without 15 minutes or so of flashback/forwards/sideways footage in most of the episodes.  Hence season 6 had to have a flash-something or other, one way or the other.  

Re the question of Eloise, you can look for another recent post of mine.  Its not completely clear cut, but I think enough was shown in the show for us to extrapolate that Eloise was a woman who, in 1977, came into possession of her son Daniel's journal, which had a plethora of information both about the island, physics and time travel equations, Desmond Hume, and certain aspects of the future up until 2004 when Faraday arrived at the island.  That is how she knew so much, and why, after Desmond was shot by Ben in 2007, for the first time in a long time she did not know what was going to happen next (paraphrasing her).  

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Re: Just had to share my final thoughts
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2010, 09:09:39 PM »
Okay  Im not attacking your opinion here because everyone can have their own.  I just want to point a few things out.


1) What were the rules that governed Ben and Widmores relationship?

Are there really rules here.  Or just mutual respect because they were at one point or another in charge of the island.  Obviously at one point we were told that they couldn't kill each other.(when Ben was in Widmore's hotel room)  But Ben ended up shooting him in cold blood anyways.  So he can kill him.  Just seems like the rules they were following were just one of Jacobs rules.  No leaded can cause physical harm to any new leader or member of said leaders family.  But since Jacob is dead.  Rules are gone.  Ben kills widmore.

2) Who the hell is Eloise Hawking and why did she always seem to know exactly what was going on?

Eloise is just like Desmond.  She is special.  We see this in season two when we first meet her in Flashes before your Eyes.  To me now that I think about it.  This is really the first time we get a Flash Sideways in the show.

3) How did the Donkey wheel work and why did it dump you in the middle of the Desert?

MIB explained that the wheel connected water and light.  Again go back to Desmond and see what occured to him when the hatch exploded.  The wheel took the power of th elight and mixed it with water.  Then you come out in the desert because your body is transported there.  Really if you ended up in a storm drain in the middle of New York City, it doesnt really matter.  Its just where you are transported

4) Why was the time on the island different than the rest of the world?

Pretty much explained with the only way you can get in and out of the island is by following a certain bearing. 

5) Why did the oceanic 6 have to make the Ajira site as close to the Oceanic flight as possible?

I dont really thing that they had to make the Ajira flight as close as possible to the original.  Eloise just already had her epiphany and knew what occurred on the Island which means she knew who had to go back to the island.  And since Locke was dead she knew his body had to go back that way MIB could use it.

6) Why did some of those people go back in time and others did not.

They went back because they were always there in 1977 in the Dharma Initiative.

7) I could go on and on and on….

ME TOO....

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Re: Just had to share my final thoughts
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2010, 10:54:47 PM »
Re the question of Eloise, you can look for another recent post of mine.  Its not completely clear cut, but I think enough was shown in the show for us to extrapolate that Eloise was a woman who, in 1977, came into possession of her son Daniel's journal, which had a plethora of information both about the island, physics and time travel equations, Desmond Hume, and certain aspects of the future up until 2004 when Faraday arrived at the island.  That is how she knew so much, and why, after Desmond was shot by Ben in 2007, for the first time in a long time she did not know what was going to happen next (paraphrasing her).  

OOOH!  This is the first really good explanation I've seen for Eloise... I like it!  However, I think the other 5 questions (which crazy stuff answered with his best guesses), and many more could have been spelled out in the enormous amount of time they reserved for the finale... or in the half of season 6 that they spent building suspense the afterlife/alt timeline.