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Offline I_Am_Jacob

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Re: David
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2010, 03:57:29 PM »
If that were the case, it would mean that TPTB are taking requests.

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Re: David
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2010, 08:40:57 AM »
To me David is still MIB.
When Desmond made him human he was finally able to die and leave the island.
And he created a home for himself where the island was deep in the ocean and
he had a family and home.

David is not MIB he was in Jakc's mind - MIB didn't exist anywhere but the island.    MIB never left the island and Desmond released that "failsafe" did allow him to become vulnerable again to human conditions, as death. 
No there was no home deep in the ocean.

There are some basic facts here and I know a lot of interpretation but it was plain that MIB was who he was why he choose the form of Locke.  Granted it was as clear as mud at times but there are some basic facts that  you cannot avoid.

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Re: David
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2010, 08:43:55 AM »
David was what Jack wanted.  He wanted a son he could  have a relationship with and so he created/had one in the alt universe.  But there never was a son.  Or a marriage to Juliet.
ding ding ding! We have a winner

Amen and give thie person a pat on the back.  David was a nice part of his "dream"  it was something that he wanted in his life and however it worked for him it worked and in the end Jack knew what he was meant to do.  He became a man of Faith and Science and learned to blend them togeher.

So let us do the dance of Jack who knows what he wants to do.

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Re: David
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2010, 06:08:44 PM »
The more I ponder this, the more I believe that thinking of the ALT-universe as a "dream" is actually a really good way to look at it.  Much like a dream, there can be people there who don't really exist, or who are already dead.  You can be with people that you have nothing to do with in real life.  But the dream can still feel very, very real... to YOU.  If you explain it to a person you're acquainted with who happened to be in your dream, they will just give you a blank look because it's meaningless to them, regardless of how much meaning it had for you.  They didn't experience it.  It wasn't real.  So in a sense, this was almost like us getting a little peek inside Jack's "dream."  (I do not mean to say that he literally only dreamed it, but that we can sort of think of it in that way.)

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Re: David
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2010, 08:25:40 PM »
It was his resolution of how he thought his life should be.  Wife was a doc, his son was talented he was not an alcholic like his dad and he had the life he wanted or thought he wanted.  I mean David was the way he wanted his life to be with his Dad and his Mom helped him achieve that in her own way.  He had a good life in the end.   His son loved him as much as Jack truly loved his Dad. 

And in the end Christian did help Jack understand.  I was also happy to see Kate pick Jack

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Re: David
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2010, 01:26:05 AM »
The explanation makes sense for some, but not for all.

Why would Locke choose to be in the wheelchair in his "happy" version of life, with his father an invalid from the crash he caused?  Why would Sun choose to be shot and for her father to disapprove of her relationship with Jin, rather than imagining a happy marriage?  Why wouldn't Sayid imagine himself with Nadia, instead of having her with his louse of a brother setting him off on a killing spree?  Kate's still on the run.  Claire is still in a predicament.


I don't think you can take "choose" literally. I think it's more meant as a general subconscious group effort to bring them all together in some unexplainable way in that stage in-between living and dyeing. So Jack didn't necessarily "choose" to have a son as much as whatever existed within his core being helped lead to that being his reality. These things that ended up happening were much like real life, in that 1) it was still unpredictable what would happen to them in the ALT (Jack wouldn't "choose" to have a crappy relationship with his son, but that's what happened), and 2) they mirrored events--directly and indirectly--that actually DID happen in the real timeline.

Jack may have always had father-son issues...thus, he ends up with a son of his own to have a relationship with. Locke may have always seen himself as a wheelbound loser, even while on the island...thus, he's still in his wheelchair working through things in the ALT. Sun may have romanticized the years with Jin before their marriage and all the crap that occurred afterwards (she WAS going to leave him, afterall)...thus she and Jin are lovers-only, yet still in love, and going to have a child (and the child survives the unpredictable events of the ALT, like Sun getting shot, without any damage whatsoever).

Sayid may have always felt himself unworthy of Nadia's love because of his actions both before AND after crashing on the island, but still wants her in his life, just like he does in the real timeline...thus, Nadia ends up married to Sayid's brother, yet is still in his life, and Sayid still gets to experience her. Etc, etc...

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Re: David
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2010, 10:29:17 AM »
The explanation makes sense for some, but not for all.

Why would Locke choose to be in the wheelchair in his "happy" version of life, with his father an invalid from the crash he caused?  Why would Sun choose to be shot and for her father to disapprove of her relationship with Jin, rather than imagining a happy marriage?  Why wouldn't Sayid imagine himself with Nadia, instead of having her with his louse of a brother setting him off on a killing spree?  Kate's still on the run.  Claire is still in a predicament.


I don't think you can take "choose" literally. I think it's more meant as a general subconscious group effort to bring them all together in some unexplainable way in that stage in-between living and dyeing. So Jack didn't necessarily "choose" to have a son as much as whatever existed within his core being helped lead to that being his reality. These things that ended up happening were much like real life, in that 1) it was still unpredictable what would happen to them in the ALT (Jack wouldn't "choose" to have a crappy relationship with his son, but that's what happened), and 2) they mirrored events--directly and indirectly--that actually DID happen in the real timeline.

Jack may have always had father-son issues...thus, he ends up with a son of his own to have a relationship with. Locke may have always seen himself as a wheelbound loser, even while on the island...thus, he's still in his wheelchair working through things in the ALT. Sun may have romanticized the years with Jin before their marriage and all the crap that occurred afterwards (she WAS going to leave him, afterall)...thus she and Jin are lovers-only, yet still in love, and going to have a child (and the child survives the unpredictable events of the ALT, like Sun getting shot, without any damage whatsoever).

Sayid may have always felt himself unworthy of Nadia's love because of his actions both before AND after crashing on the island, but still wants her in his life, just like he does in the real timeline...thus, Nadia ends up married to Sayid's brother, yet is still in his life, and Sayid still gets to experience her. Etc, etc...

Well said mate.

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Re: David
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2010, 08:24:37 PM »
good take

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Re: David
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2010, 09:58:46 PM »
Deleted scene on DVDs

Jack returns to the group after talking to his father. Everyone is smiling and hugging. Jack looks down and there is David.
Jack says "Thanks for helping me let go."
David looks up and says "thanks for helping me go home."

L O S T



THIS WOULD BE THE BEST ENDING, MIB wasn't ALL bad and he NEVER HAD A FATHER!

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Re: David
« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2010, 11:41:35 AM »
Deleted scene on DVDs

Jack returns to the group after talking to his father. Everyone is smiling and hugging. Jack looks down and there is David.
Jack says "Thanks for helping me let go."
David looks up and says "thanks for helping me go home."

L O S T



THIS WOULD BE THE BEST ENDING, MIB wasn't ALL bad and he NEVER HAD A FATHER!

Oh. My. God. MiB was bad. He was the Villian. He was not David.

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Re: David
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2010, 10:38:40 PM »
Deleted scene on DVDs

Jack returns to the group after talking to his father. Everyone is smiling and hugging. Jack looks down and there is David.
Jack says "Thanks for helping me let go."
David looks up and says "thanks for helping me go home."

L O S T


But he had a father and it was Esau ::)


THIS WOULD BE THE BEST ENDING, MIB wasn't ALL bad and he NEVER HAD A FATHER!

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Re: David
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2010, 05:14:26 AM »
THAT IS TRUE!    ;D

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Re: David
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2010, 01:56:56 PM »
Deleted scene on DVDs

Jack returns to the group after talking to his father. Everyone is smiling and hugging. Jack looks down and there is David.
Jack says "Thanks for helping me let go."
David looks up and says "thanks for helping me go home."

L O S T


But he had a father and it was Esau ::)


THIS WOULD BE THE BEST ENDING, MIB wasn't ALL bad and he NEVER HAD A FATHER!

Actually Esau was Jacob's brother in the Bible.  So Jacob's brother's father wouldn't be named Esau.

Strictly speaking, of course.