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Re: Death count tonight
« Reply #60 on: May 10, 2010, 05:15:25 PM »
I have to say that if Frank is alive, then the writers are not playing fair with the audience.  I mean, its one thing to leave some ambiguity.  Its another thing to show him sustaining an injury that by all rights should be considered fatal (especially in those circumstances).  I just don't think its cool if they are trying to intentionally trick the audience.  What's next?  Nikki and Paolo bust out of their coffins Kill Bill / Bride style and start walking around again?

In any case, of course they haven't been leading the story there, but... why couldn't people use the FDW to escape?  Why do they need a submarine, airplane or boat? 

Please enlighten this ignorant bubblehead over here...what's FDW again?  :-[

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« Reply #61 on: May 10, 2010, 05:30:21 PM »
Yeah, we all pretty much said Jin was toast after the freighter blew up -- no way to survive that explosion, plus it was out beyond "the circle" when the island moved so he'd be sure to drown, yadda, yadda, yadda.  But yet, there he was.

I can go back and find my posts, but I was pretty sure Jin had survived the blast. Basically, they didn't have a close shot of him blowing up, which is why I was almost convinced he would return. Now, compare this to Frank, we got a clear shot of him getting crushed by a heavy steel door to show us he definitely is out for the count.

IAJ, I'm sure you've seen Executive Decision with Kurt Russell and Halle Berry? They can still fly away. Or, and after Jin and Sun I'm starting to think this is more likely, nobody is going to get off the Island alive.

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Re: Death count tonight
« Reply #62 on: May 10, 2010, 06:04:04 PM »
I have to say that if Frank is alive, then the writers are not playing fair with the audience.  I mean, its one thing to leave some ambiguity.  Its another thing to show him sustaining an injury that by all rights should be considered fatal (especially in those circumstances).  I just don't think its cool if they are trying to intentionally trick the audience.  What's next?  Nikki and Paolo bust out of their coffins Kill Bill / Bride style and start walking around again?

In any case, of course they haven't been leading the story there, but... why couldn't people use the FDW to escape?  Why do they need a submarine, airplane or boat? 

Please enlighten this ignorant bubblehead over here...what's FDW again?  :-[

FDW = Frozen Donkey Wheel :)

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Re: Death count tonight
« Reply #63 on: May 10, 2010, 06:47:28 PM »
Yeah, we all pretty much said Jin was toast after the freighter blew up -- no way to survive that explosion, plus it was out beyond "the circle" when the island moved so he'd be sure to drown, yadda, yadda, yadda.  But yet, there he was.

I can go back and find my posts, but I was pretty sure Jin had survived the blast. Basically, they didn't have a close shot of him blowing up, which is why I was almost convinced he would return. Now, compare this to Frank, we got a clear shot of him getting crushed by a heavy steel door to show us he definitely is out for the count.

IAJ, I'm sure you've seen Executive Decision with Kurt Russell and Halle Berry? They can still fly away. Or, and after Jin and Sun I'm starting to think this is more likely, nobody is going to get off the Island alive.

Yeah I've made reference to that gem of the cinematic world. The Acting ability of Steven Segal is unrivaled. John Leguizamo should have won the Oscar ::)

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« Reply #64 on: May 11, 2010, 12:20:04 AM »
Yeah, we all pretty much said Jin was toast after the freighter blew up -- no way to survive that explosion, plus it was out beyond "the circle" when the island moved so he'd be sure to drown, yadda, yadda, yadda.  But yet, there he was.

I can go back and find my posts, but I was pretty sure Jin had survived the blast. Basically, they didn't have a close shot of him blowing up, which is why I was almost convinced he would return. Now, compare this to Frank, we got a clear shot of him getting crushed by a heavy steel door to show us he definitely is out for the count.

IAJ, I'm sure you've seen Executive Decision with Kurt Russell and Halle Berry? They can still fly away. Or, and after Jin and Sun I'm starting to think this is more likely, nobody is going to get off the Island alive.

Yeah I've made reference to that gem of the cinematic world. The Acting ability of Steven Segal is unrivaled. John Leguizamo should have won the Oscar ::)

That's Deputy Steven Seagal.

If they have amateurs try to fly the Ajira plane out in the series finale...I don't know how I'd take that. It would have to be handled really well, kinda like how they did it in Indiana Jones.
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Re: Death count tonight
« Reply #65 on: May 11, 2010, 10:09:55 AM »
I was thinking at first that Frank might still be alive because they needed him to fly the plane, in other words, the island wasn't done with him so nothing will kill him until then.  But my latest thought is that the ATL is everyone getting their lives back after MIB is defeated, so I think EVERYONE (with the exception of maybe Desmond, the constant) will die on the island.  So now I think that plane isn't going anywhere and if I'm right, the island doesn't need Frank anymore (sorry Chesty!).  The only way they'd still need him in the plot is if someone still plans to try to use the plane.  Flocke was quick to dismiss it because 'there might be more c-4 hidden on the plane', but Sawyer and company might still be willing to take the chance if Frank is still alive. 

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« Reply #66 on: May 11, 2010, 11:07:28 AM »
I was using an extreme example to express my point. So if that offends you, fine, take any good painting by any painter, or any good piece of music by any musician, and use the same arguement. Can you say any brush stroke is pointless, or any note is pointless? They are pieces of the whole.

However, I do believe that Lost is as much of a masterpiece as has ever been on TV...and I've watched alot of TV in my day. So, it may not have the longevity of DaVinci over time...then again, it may. TV is a relatively young artform.

It doesn't offend me, and please don't apologize to me, LOL. It's just the internet. But in all seriousness, LOST is just a TV show, that's the only point I'm trying to make. There's no need to make it this grandiose thing.

I have to say that if Frank is alive, then the writers are not playing fair with the audience.  I mean, its one thing to leave some ambiguity.  Its another thing to show him sustaining an injury that by all rights should be considered fatal (especially in those circumstances).  I just don't think its cool if they are trying to intentionally trick the audience.  What's next?  Nikki and Paolo bust out of their coffins Kill Bill / Bride style and start walking around again?

In any case, of course they haven't been leading the story there, but... why couldn't people use the FDW to escape?  Why do they need a submarine, airplane or boat? 

Because of a few reasons. There are only a small amount of people that actually know about the FDW (Ben, Locke, and MiB. I think that's it at the moment, please correct me if I'm wrong), so that's a whole other season right there explaining to them just what exactly this thing is. Also, using the FDW is a measure of last resort because moving the island is dangerous. I understand your point, but I understand why they haven't used that to get off the island.

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Re: Death count tonight
« Reply #67 on: May 11, 2010, 01:48:18 PM »
I was using an extreme example to express my point. So if that offends you, fine, take any good painting by any painter, or any good piece of music by any musician, and use the same arguement. Can you say any brush stroke is pointless, or any note is pointless? They are pieces of the whole.

However, I do believe that Lost is as much of a masterpiece as has ever been on TV...and I've watched alot of TV in my day. So, it may not have the longevity of DaVinci over time...then again, it may. TV is a relatively young artform.

It doesn't offend me, and please don't apologize to me, LOL. It's just the internet. But in all seriousness, LOST is just a TV show, that's the only point I'm trying to make. There's no need to make it this grandiose thing.

Well, LOST is a tv show, but I wouldn't say it is on the same level as shows like CSI, or Seinfeld, or Cheers. I think LOST has attained a higher level of art and entertainment that makes it nearly impossible to compare to any other TV show. So, after 6 seasons and 100+ episodes, I think LOST is as close to a masterpiece as we have ever seen on TV. Now, is it on the same artistic level as a Da Vinci, or a Picasso? I don't think that case can be made right now. However, in 100 years, when the art of television has matured a bit, we may look back at LOST as being one of the first true television masterpieces.

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« Reply #68 on: May 11, 2010, 03:30:21 PM »
I was using an extreme example to express my point. So if that offends you, fine, take any good painting by any painter, or any good piece of music by any musician, and use the same arguement. Can you say any brush stroke is pointless, or any note is pointless? They are pieces of the whole.

However, I do believe that Lost is as much of a masterpiece as has ever been on TV...and I've watched alot of TV in my day. So, it may not have the longevity of DaVinci over time...then again, it may. TV is a relatively young artform.

It doesn't offend me, and please don't apologize to me, LOL. It's just the internet. But in all seriousness, LOST is just a TV show, that's the only point I'm trying to make. There's no need to make it this grandiose thing.

Well, LOST is a tv show, but I wouldn't say it is on the same level as shows like CSI, or Seinfeld, or Cheers. I think LOST has attained a higher level of art and entertainment that makes it nearly impossible to compare to any other TV show. So, after 6 seasons and 100+ episodes, I think LOST is as close to a masterpiece as we have ever seen on TV. Now, is it on the same artistic level as a Da Vinci, or a Picasso? I don't think that case can be made right now. However, in 100 years, when the art of television has matured a bit, we may look back at LOST as being one of the first true television masterpieces.

This is turning into some kind of Anti-LOST rant on my part, but I seriously hope I have something better to talk about in 100 years. LOL

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Re: Death count tonight
« Reply #69 on: May 11, 2010, 03:38:31 PM »
I was using an extreme example to express my point. So if that offends you, fine, take any good painting by any painter, or any good piece of music by any musician, and use the same arguement. Can you say any brush stroke is pointless, or any note is pointless? They are pieces of the whole.

However, I do believe that Lost is as much of a masterpiece as has ever been on TV...and I've watched alot of TV in my day. So, it may not have the longevity of DaVinci over time...then again, it may. TV is a relatively young artform.

It doesn't offend me, and please don't apologize to me, LOL. It's just the internet. But in all seriousness, LOST is just a TV show, that's the only point I'm trying to make. There's no need to make it this grandiose thing.

Well, LOST is a tv show, but I wouldn't say it is on the same level as shows like CSI, or Seinfeld, or Cheers. I think LOST has attained a higher level of art and entertainment that makes it nearly impossible to compare to any other TV show. So, after 6 seasons and 100+ episodes, I think LOST is as close to a masterpiece as we have ever seen on TV. Now, is it on the same artistic level as a Da Vinci, or a Picasso? I don't think that case can be made right now. However, in 100 years, when the art of television has matured a bit, we may look back at LOST as being one of the first true television masterpieces.

This is turning into some kind of Anti-LOST rant on my part, but I seriously hope I have something better to talk about in 100 years. LOL
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Re: Death count tonight
« Reply #70 on: May 11, 2010, 04:17:57 PM »
Personally, I like "Lost" a lot better than I like DaVinci, but then again, I've been told I'm an uncultured hick from Appalachia, so what do I know?   :D

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Re: Death count tonight
« Reply #71 on: May 11, 2010, 04:56:25 PM »
I was using an extreme example to express my point. So if that offends you, fine, take any good painting by any painter, or any good piece of music by any musician, and use the same arguement. Can you say any brush stroke is pointless, or any note is pointless? They are pieces of the whole.

However, I do believe that Lost is as much of a masterpiece as has ever been on TV...and I've watched alot of TV in my day. So, it may not have the longevity of DaVinci over time...then again, it may. TV is a relatively young artform.

It doesn't offend me, and please don't apologize to me, LOL. It's just the internet. But in all seriousness, LOST is just a TV show, that's the only point I'm trying to make. There's no need to make it this grandiose thing.

Well, LOST is a tv show, but I wouldn't say it is on the same level as shows like CSI, or Seinfeld, or Cheers. I think LOST has attained a higher level of art and entertainment that makes it nearly impossible to compare to any other TV show. So, after 6 seasons and 100+ episodes, I think LOST is as close to a masterpiece as we have ever seen on TV. Now, is it on the same artistic level as a Da Vinci, or a Picasso? I don't think that case can be made right now. However, in 100 years, when the art of television has matured a bit, we may look back at LOST as being one of the first true television masterpieces.

This is turning into some kind of Anti-LOST rant on my part, but I seriously hope I have something better to talk about in 100 years. LOL

We still talk about great novels from 100+ years ago. Who's to say that future generations won't be studying certain television and film in the same way someday?

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Re: Death count tonight
« Reply #72 on: May 11, 2010, 05:02:02 PM »
I was using an extreme example to express my point. So if that offends you, fine, take any good painting by any painter, or any good piece of music by any musician, and use the same arguement. Can you say any brush stroke is pointless, or any note is pointless? They are pieces of the whole.

However, I do believe that Lost is as much of a masterpiece as has ever been on TV...and I've watched alot of TV in my day. So, it may not have the longevity of DaVinci over time...then again, it may. TV is a relatively young artform.

It doesn't offend me, and please don't apologize to me, LOL. It's just the internet. But in all seriousness, LOST is just a TV show, that's the only point I'm trying to make. There's no need to make it this grandiose thing.

Well, LOST is a tv show, but I wouldn't say it is on the same level as shows like CSI, or Seinfeld, or Cheers. I think LOST has attained a higher level of art and entertainment that makes it nearly impossible to compare to any other TV show. So, after 6 seasons and 100+ episodes, I think LOST is as close to a masterpiece as we have ever seen on TV. Now, is it on the same artistic level as a Da Vinci, or a Picasso? I don't think that case can be made right now. However, in 100 years, when the art of television has matured a bit, we may look back at LOST as being one of the first true television masterpieces.

This is turning into some kind of Anti-LOST rant on my part, but I seriously hope I have something better to talk about in 100 years. LOL

We still talk about great novels from 100+ years ago. Who's to say that future generations won't be studying certain television and film in the same way someday?

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Re: Death count tonight
« Reply #73 on: May 11, 2010, 05:11:20 PM »
I was using an extreme example to express my point. So if that offends you, fine, take any good painting by any painter, or any good piece of music by any musician, and use the same arguement. Can you say any brush stroke is pointless, or any note is pointless? They are pieces of the whole.

However, I do believe that Lost is as much of a masterpiece as has ever been on TV...and I've watched alot of TV in my day. So, it may not have the longevity of DaVinci over time...then again, it may. TV is a relatively young artform.

It doesn't offend me, and please don't apologize to me, LOL. It's just the internet. But in all seriousness, LOST is just a TV show, that's the only point I'm trying to make. There's no need to make it this grandiose thing.

Well, LOST is a tv show, but I wouldn't say it is on the same level as shows like CSI, or Seinfeld, or Cheers. I think LOST has attained a higher level of art and entertainment that makes it nearly impossible to compare to any other TV show. So, after 6 seasons and 100+ episodes, I think LOST is as close to a masterpiece as we have ever seen on TV. Now, is it on the same artistic level as a Da Vinci, or a Picasso? I don't think that case can be made right now. However, in 100 years, when the art of television has matured a bit, we may look back at LOST as being one of the first true television masterpieces.

This is turning into some kind of Anti-LOST rant on my part, but I seriously hope I have something better to talk about in 100 years. LOL

We still talk about great novels from 100+ years ago. Who's to say that future generations won't be studying certain television and film in the same way someday?
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« Reply #74 on: May 11, 2010, 05:24:51 PM »
I was using an extreme example to express my point. So if that offends you, fine, take any good painting by any painter, or any good piece of music by any musician, and use the same arguement. Can you say any brush stroke is pointless, or any note is pointless? They are pieces of the whole.

However, I do believe that Lost is as much of a masterpiece as has ever been on TV...and I've watched alot of TV in my day. So, it may not have the longevity of DaVinci over time...then again, it may. TV is a relatively young artform.

It doesn't offend me, and please don't apologize to me, LOL. It's just the internet. But in all seriousness, LOST is just a TV show, that's the only point I'm trying to make. There's no need to make it this grandiose thing.

Well, LOST is a tv show, but I wouldn't say it is on the same level as shows like CSI, or Seinfeld, or Cheers. I think LOST has attained a higher level of art and entertainment that makes it nearly impossible to compare to any other TV show. So, after 6 seasons and 100+ episodes, I think LOST is as close to a masterpiece as we have ever seen on TV. Now, is it on the same artistic level as a Da Vinci, or a Picasso? I don't think that case can be made right now. However, in 100 years, when the art of television has matured a bit, we may look back at LOST as being one of the first true television masterpieces.

This is turning into some kind of Anti-LOST rant on my part, but I seriously hope I have something better to talk about in 100 years. LOL

We still talk about great novels from 100+ years ago. Who's to say that future generations won't be studying certain television and film in the same way someday?
No joke I can Watch My Cousin Vinny over and over...

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