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Offline norville

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Desmond and the well, and...
« on: April 14, 2010, 10:12:46 AM »
This just in, from the crackpot theory part of my brain.  Like many others, I saw Desmond running over Locke in the X timeline as a sort of parallel-reality action/reaction from when Unlocke threw Desmond down the well.  However, I also really liked the implicit parallel, because Locke himself had fallen down that well.  (Was it the same one, near the Orchid?  Or a different one?  Maybe it doesn't matter so much.  We know there are more than one center of electromagnetic energy on the island.)  Both Desmond and Locke fell down a well and (it seems to me) Des will be injured, perhaps similar to Locke.

But that, in turn, reminded me of Christian, who met Locke at the bottom of that well.  Christian at that point had seemed rather aloof, saying he was there to help Locke, but wouldn't actually give him a hand with his broken leg.  It made me wonder if there will turn out to be some connection between Desmond and Christian's apparition.  Am I stretching way too far here?  What if somehow Desmond and Christian turn out to be related somehow, or even the same person?  That might explain Christian's connection to the island.

(On a side note, are we to believe Unlocke when he said that the people didn't find what they were looking for at the bottom of this well?  I suppose we'll see next week...)

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Re: Desmond and the well, and...
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2010, 10:48:36 AM »
It's funny you mention this, I just had the same conversation with a friend. I personally believe that Desmond is aware of both timelines in both timelines, and it would be AWESOME if Desmond ran over Locke out of spite for throwing him down the well, but I think that it is actually just to get him to see Jack at the hospital. Either the damage will need to be looked at by a specialist, or perhaps for some reason Locke will now be able to walk, and will want to talk to Jack about how it's possible. But either way, I think this is all leading to Locke talking to Jack.

As for whether or not it's the same well, I don't think so, only because the well we saw Locke go into had that whole setup around it for lowering in a bucket or what have you. Also, didn't he say to Desmond last night that it wasn't the only well on the island??

I don't get the feeling there is anything that ties Desmond to Christian's appearances on the island, but you might be right. I usually don't believe anything that Locke has been saying lately, but this much seemed true. Plus, when he dropped the torch into the well, to me it sounded like it hit some water at the bottom, not alot, but enough to make a splash and put out the torch. The well where Locke fell and turned the wheel didn't have any water.

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Re: Desmond and the well, and...
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2010, 11:10:20 AM »
Christian was a ghost and couldn't interact with solid matter.

I hope they say that the donkey wheel well was dug up because (pre-Black Rock) people found a strange rope comming out of the ground. The rope that Sawyer held on to when Locke fell down the well. Or is this eas enough for the viewers to assume?

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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2010, 12:29:23 PM »
Christian was a ghost and couldn't interact with solid matter.

I hope they say that the donkey wheel well was dug up because (pre-Black Rock) people found a strange rope comming out of the ground. The rope that Sawyer held on to when Locke fell down the well. Or is this eas enough for the viewers to assume?

Sure he could. He has opened doors, carried lamps.

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Re: Desmond and the well, and...
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2010, 12:32:33 PM »
The Well I believe HAS to be different. Unless there are multiple Donkey Wheels. Locke fell dow the well that The Orchid Was built atround I thought. Could be wrong.

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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2010, 01:34:22 PM »
The Well I believe HAS to be different. Unless there are multiple Donkey Wheels. Locke fell dow the well that The Orchid Was built atround I thought. Could be wrong.

I think the implication of that scene is that there was no wheel down at the bottom, because I think that Desmond asked Locke if the people ever found their answers, and he said no. If they were looking for answers, and went down and found the wheel, then they would have found their answer, no?? Besides, I looked on Lostpedia and found this...

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Well

I don't really count Lostpedia as a bible or anything, but it is pretty accurate most of the time.

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Re: Desmond and the well, and...
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2010, 01:38:55 PM »
It's funny you mention this, I just had the same conversation with a friend. I personally believe that Desmond is aware of both timelines in both timelines, and it would be AWESOME if Desmond ran over Locke out of spite for throwing him down the well, but I think that it is actually just to get him to see Jack at the hospital. Either the damage will need to be looked at by a specialist, or perhaps for some reason Locke will now be able to walk, and will want to talk to Jack about how it's possible. But either way, I think this is all leading to Locke talking to Jack.

As for whether or not it's the same well, I don't think so, only because the well we saw Locke go into had that whole setup around it for lowering in a bucket or what have you. Also, didn't he say to Desmond last night that it wasn't the only well on the island??

I don't get the feeling there is anything that ties Desmond to Christian's appearances on the island, but you might be right. I usually don't believe anything that Locke has been saying lately, but this much seemed true. Plus, when he dropped the torch into the well, to me it sounded like it hit some water at the bottom, not alot, but enough to make a splash and put out the torch. The well where Locke fell and turned the wheel didn't have any water.
Desmond is definately aware of 2 realities.  He saw it.  He saw it in both realities and remembered both.

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Re: Desmond and the well, and...
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2010, 01:39:38 PM »
The Well I believe HAS to be different. Unless there are multiple Donkey Wheels. Locke fell dow the well that The Orchid Was built atround I thought. Could be wrong.

I think the implication of that scene is that there was no wheel down at the bottom, because I think that Desmond asked Locke if the people ever found their answers, and he said no. If they were looking for answers, and went down and found the wheel, then they would have found their answer, no?? Besides, I looked on Lostpedia and found this...

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Well

I don't really count Lostpedia as a bible or anything, but it is pretty accurate most of the time.

Cool that works. Thanks for the link.

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Re: Desmond and the well, and...
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2010, 01:41:07 PM »
The Well I believe HAS to be different. Unless there are multiple Donkey Wheels. Locke fell dow the well that The Orchid Was built atround I thought. Could be wrong.

I think the implication of that scene is that there was no wheel down at the bottom, because I think that Desmond asked Locke if the people ever found their answers, and he said no. If they were looking for answers, and went down and found the wheel, then they would have found their answer, no?? Besides, I looked on Lostpedia and found this...

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Well

I don't really count Lostpedia as a bible or anything, but it is pretty accurate most of the time.

Cool that works. Thanks for the link.

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Re: Desmond and the well, and...
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2010, 02:50:40 PM »
Not sure there's any proof this isn't the same well where the Donkey Wheel is.

The rope wouldn't be there because it time-jumped with Sawyer when he was holding onto it and they jumped to the time when the statue was still intact.


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Re: Desmond and the well, and...
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2010, 03:22:16 PM »
Not sure there's any proof this isn't the same well where the Donkey Wheel is.

The rope wouldn't be there because it time-jumped with Sawyer when he was holding onto it and they jumped to the time when the statue was still intact.



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Re: Desmond and the well, and...
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2010, 07:08:02 PM »
RM brought up a point that I was wondering about.  If the statue would have last been intact in 1867 when the Black Rock brought it down how could our Loasties have seen it intact in one of their flashes.  Did anyone think that they were flashed back to 1867?  Jacob had indicated that everyone who ever came to the island was dead when he was speaking to Richard.  I am confused. Can you very
astute folk clarify this for me?

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Re: Desmond and the well, and...
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2010, 07:33:05 PM »
When they saw the intact statue they were time traveling and stayed in that period for only a few seconds until they traveled somewhere else. Therefore it could have been 1867 or earlier....

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Re: Desmond and the well, and...
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2010, 09:12:01 PM »
I think whoever dug this well also built the statue. Maybe in ancient times, the Egyptians found the island and tried to colonize it. Maybe Jacob and MIB were already there, and the Egyptians took them for gods, or at least Jacob, and built him a statue that would also serve as a temple of something... Either way, they used their own hands to dig the well, if what MIB is saying is true, so I doubt it was the Dharma people who dug it (we know they had instruments and machine that could easily do that). That doesn't answer anything, but maybe it clears out the notion that Jacob and MIB are divine entities... maybe they're not, maybe it was just the Egyptians who interpreted them as being gods (referring to that theory that they are indeed reincarnations of Egyptian entities).

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Re: Desmond and the well, and...
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2010, 09:23:02 PM »
Wait a minute.  After Locke fell down the well and Sawyer was freaking out trying to pull him back up, they flashed to statue time quickly, right?  Well at that point the well was not dug, it was just a rope going into the ground, the well was not dug by the statue people.  I think it was dug by Dharma because they eventually found the donkey wheel and built the orchid over it.  Am I remembering that wrong?