Jacob and MIB on the beach.. when we first meet them...

[BadRobot64]

okay it was my understanding that when we first met Jacob and MIB in the episode "The Incident" that they were stareing offshore at The Black Rock... but this isnt the case is it? because it was a beautiful day... blue skies... calm water... but when we saw The black Rock arrives at night in a heavy storm... bad enough to make a wave large enough to lift them to the head of the statue. what ship was that in "The Incident"

[bluesmanjay]

It could have been the Black Rock. We've seen day turn to night before. The Ajira flight is a good example. Clear skies, and all of the sudden it was night, and stormy. Same thing could have happened.

[vickilynn]

Jacob told Richard that he "caused" the Black Rock to crash onto the island. Makes it sound like he can manipulate weather etc.

[SQUIRT199]

Jacob told Richard that he "caused" the Black Rock to crash onto the island. Makes it sound like he can manipulate weather etc.

No he said he brought them to the island, not crash,

butmaybe As we saw MIB walk away he was so enraged he created the storm,

[BadRobot64]

Jacob told Richard that he "caused" the Black Rock to crash onto the island. Makes it sound like he can manipulate weather etc.

No he said he brought them to the island, not crash,

butmaybe As we saw MIB walk away he was so enraged he created the storm,

i like this idea...

[vickilynn]

Ok...he didn't say crash, but he said something slightly different than just the "I brought you here" that we've heard before. It made it sound like he can do whatever he needs to do to get people on the island, such as make a wave, cause a plane to crash etc.

[BadRobot64]

Ok...he didn't say crash, but he said something slightly different than just the "I brought you here" that we've heard before. It made it sound like he can do whatever he needs to do to get people on the island, such as make a wave, cause a plane to crash etc.

technically he didnt make the 815 crash.. it was des, but if you meant 316.. then maybe.. it never really was told other than the inclement weather that brought that down. that and the violet light and the equipment malfunctioning...

[devenezy]

People have been coming to the island for hundreds if not thousands of years. Prior to the invention of aircraft, the only other way to arrive on the island would have been by boat. Keeping in mind that ships constructed from metal weren’t designed until the late 19th century, most non-metal hulled vessels able to traverse the Pacific Ocean would have looked similar to the Black Rock. There is no reason to believe that the ships talked about in this thread are the same boat.

That said, it is possible that the Black Rock was in sight of the island several days before crashing into it. It is common for a ship to stay in deeper waters until a smaller party aboard a dinghy examines the seabed closer inland and scouts the actual land for dangers/resources. The Black Rock might have encountered the terrible storm after navigating to the island in more clement weather.

However, it appears as if the statue was first seen by Ricardo’s “colleague” during the storm. I am untroubled by assuming that the two ships are independent of one another.

[BadRobot64]

People have been coming to the island for hundreds if not thousands of years. Prior to the invention of aircraft, the only other way to arrive on the island would have been by boat. Keeping in mind that ships constructed from metal weren’t designed until the late 19th century, most non-metal hulled vessels able to traverse the Pacific Ocean would have looked similar to the Black Rock. There is no reason to believe that the ships talked about in this thread are the same boat.

That said, it is possible that the Black Rock was in sight of the island several days before crashing into it. It is common for a ship to stay in deeper waters until a smaller party aboard a dinghy examines the seabed closer inland and scouts the actual land for dangers/resources. The Black Rock might have encountered the terrible storm after navigating to the island in more clement weather.

However, it appears as if the statue was first seen by Ricardo’s “colleague” during the storm. I am untroubled by assuming that the two ships are independent of one another.

to what end? why show 2 ships extremely resemblant of each other and they arent the same this late in the game?

[devenezy]

People have been coming to the island for hundreds if not thousands of years. Prior to the invention of aircraft, the only other way to arrive on the island would have been by boat. Keeping in mind that ships constructed from metal weren’t designed until the late 19th century, most non-metal hulled vessels able to traverse the Pacific Ocean would have looked similar to the Black Rock. There is no reason to believe that the ships talked about in this thread are the same boat.

That said, it is possible that the Black Rock was in sight of the island several days before crashing into it. It is common for a ship to stay in deeper waters until a smaller party aboard a dinghy examines the seabed closer inland and scouts the actual land for dangers/resources. The Black Rock might have encountered the terrible storm after navigating to the island in more clement weather.

However, it appears as if the statue was first seen by Ricardo’s “colleague” during the storm. I am untroubled by assuming that the two ships are independent of one another.

to what end? why show 2 ships extremely resemblant of each other and they arent the same this late in the game?

Good point. I can see either event (ie same ship, different ship) happening. However, a closer look at the White Rock from "The Incident, Part 1" reveals that it has an aft-mast that's roughly half the height of the fore- and main-masts. On the other hand, the Black Rock's aft-mast is the same height as its main as shown in "Ab Aeterno." Of course, this wouldn't be the first time that the same object appears dissimilar in different episodes.

I think the intent is that Jacob has repeatedly brought people to the island.