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Offline musicotb

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hell...
« on: March 23, 2010, 10:44:16 PM »
??  I'm not sure this is right - I think he dreamed Isabella said he was in Hell and that Smokey was the Devil, but thought it had actually happened, then [unLock who has not yet been Lockified] used it to his benefit to lure Richard into working with him?  And Richard just continued to believe it?  I dunno - we'll see how this plays out.

Offline jamesl

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Re: hell...
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2010, 10:50:23 PM »
I think Smokey played the role of Isabella just he played the role of Ben's daughter when Ben went into the basement of area outside the temple

so Smokey pretended to be Isabella and pretended that she was taken just to manipulate Richard into thinking he could get her back
 

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Re: hell...
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2010, 11:06:35 PM »
I think Smokey played the role of Isabella just he played the role of Ben's daughter when Ben went into the basement of area outside the temple

so Smokey pretended to be Isabella and pretended that she was taken just to manipulate Richard into thinking he could get her back
 
I agree with you, JamesL

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Re: hell...
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2010, 11:07:16 PM »
I think Smokey played the role of Isabella just he played the role of Ben's daughter when Ben went into the basement of area outside the temple

so Smokey pretended to be Isabella and pretended that she was taken just to manipulate Richard into thinking he could get her back
 

I agree, Smokey takes on the form of the dead. Hurley sees the real spirits of the dead.

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Re: hell...
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2010, 11:18:40 PM »
I think Smokey played the role of Isabella just he played the role of Ben's daughter when Ben went into the basement of area outside the temple

so Smokey pretended to be Isabella and pretended that she was taken just to manipulate Richard into thinking he could get her back
 

I agree, Smokey takes on the form of the dead. Hurley sees the real spirits of the dead.
Agreed.

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Re: hell...
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2010, 11:23:36 PM »
I think Smokey played the role of Isabella just he played the role of Ben's daughter when Ben went into the basement of area outside the temple

so Smokey pretended to be Isabella and pretended that she was taken just to manipulate Richard into thinking he could get her back
 

I agree, Smokey takes on the form of the dead. Hurley sees the real spirits of the dead.
Agreed.

Tripled agree. Can't be hell if they travel to world and back.

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Re: hell...
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2010, 11:25:25 PM »
Nothing to see here..... please move along

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Re: hell...
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2010, 11:45:48 PM »
Seemed to me that when Smokey was in the cargo hold, he did his mind-meld / brain scan on Ricardo just like he did way back to Eko, learned how to manipulate him then smokey himself vanished.  Then he re-appeared to Ricardo as Isabella in order to manipulate him into killing Jacob.

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Re: hell...
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2010, 11:48:14 PM »
I think Smokey played the role of Isabella just he played the role of Ben's daughter when Ben went into the basement of area outside the temple

so Smokey pretended to be Isabella and pretended that she was taken just to manipulate Richard into thinking he could get her back
 

Spot on!

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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2010, 11:49:10 PM »
Seemed to me that when Smokey was in the cargo hold, he did his mind-meld / brain scan on Ricardo just like he did way back to Eko, learned how to manipulate him then smokey himself vanished.  Then he re-appeared to Ricardo as Isabella in order to manipulate him into killing Jacob.

Most definitely!

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Re: hell...
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2010, 11:53:03 PM »
This is all surely correct.

I wonder why MIB would admit to being Smokey.  I don't imagine he's held to the same truth-telling standard as some others.

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Re: hell...
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2010, 12:32:33 AM »
I thought MIB needed a body to appear as the person. How did Isabella's body get to the island for MIB to utilize? If her body isn't there (and I'm sure its not) then MIB should be able to appear as any dead person in the history of the world. Right? Perhaps Isabella's soul was tied to the necklace or tied to Richard himself. MIB was then able to assume her identity?

I am having difficulty accepting the fact that she appeared to Richard. Someone please help explain how this might have happened without the body.

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Re: hell...
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2010, 12:34:03 AM »
Definately necklace. Her soul is on the island, Hurley can talk to her. So apparently she's not in hell...

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Re: hell...
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2010, 12:52:18 AM »
I think Smokey played the role of Isabella just he played the role of Ben's daughter when Ben went into the basement of area outside the temple

so Smokey pretended to be Isabella and pretended that she was taken just to manipulate Richard into thinking he could get her back
 

I agree, Smokey takes on the form of the dead. Hurley sees the real spirits of the dead.
Agreed.

Tripled agree. Can't be hell if they travel to world and back.

Juggy, Quadgreed!
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Re: hell...
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2010, 01:27:57 AM »
I wonder why MIB would admit to being Smokey.  I don't imagine he's held to the same truth-telling standard as some others.

I think he likes telling the truth, actually. Especially when it convinces people to do what he wants, like helping him off the Island. He does that a lot as Locke as well.