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Offline LockedInLost

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Doesn't that tie it up that he's bad
« on: March 16, 2010, 11:15:55 PM »
UnLock b-slapped Claire...doesn't that reinforce the fact that he's bad?

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Re: Doesn't that tie it up that he's bad
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2010, 11:17:35 PM »
That whole scene was creepy. From sayid being in a daze, looking at Claire attacking Kate, to mib slapping Claire. Bizzare.

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Re: Doesn't that tie it up that he's bad
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2010, 11:23:10 PM »
UnLock b-slapped Claire...doesn't that reinforce the fact that he's bad?

 Slapping hysterical women straight makes him bad?

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Re: Doesn't that tie it up that he's bad
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2010, 11:26:27 PM »
UnLock b-slapped Claire...doesn't that reinforce the fact that he's bad?

 Slapping hysterical women straight makes him bad?
YES

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Re: Doesn't that tie it up that he's bad
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2010, 11:28:42 PM »
UnLock b-slapped Claire...doesn't that reinforce the fact that he's bad?

 Slapping hysterical women straight makes him bad?
Slapping has never been very helpful when someone is freaking out.  It just doesn't work.

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Re: Doesn't that tie it up that he's bad
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2010, 11:29:21 PM »
it did this time

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Re: Doesn't that tie it up that he's bad
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2010, 11:29:28 PM »
UnLock b-slapped Claire...doesn't that reinforce the fact that he's bad?

 Slapping hysterical women straight makes him bad?
YES

And allowing your followers to gas a town makes you....Nice?

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Re: Doesn't that tie it up that he's bad
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2010, 11:31:20 PM »
UnLock b-slapped Claire...doesn't that reinforce the fact that he's bad?

 Slapping hysterical women straight makes him bad?
YES

And allowing your followers to gas a town makes you....Nice?
Do we know Jacob was ok with that?

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Re: Doesn't that tie it up that he's bad
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2010, 11:34:45 PM »
well he  certainly didn't have a problem letting Nadia die

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Re: Doesn't that tie it up that he's bad
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2010, 11:38:57 PM »
UnLock b-slapped Claire...doesn't that reinforce the fact that he's bad?

 Slapping hysterical women straight makes him bad?
YES

And allowing your followers to gas a town makes you....Nice?
Do we know Jacob was ok with that?

And Stopping to chat with Sayid and watching a car hit Nadia? The kid knapping of Walt? The taking out of the Army squad? Bring people to the Island and letting them battle it out?

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Re: Doesn't that tie it up that he's bad
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2010, 03:18:37 AM »
Well, combine his pimp-slap with his explanation to Kate that he used "hate" as a powerful force to control Claire. I mean, I don't see a good guy using hate as a motivator. To use my ever popular Star Wars analogy, this is exactly what Darth Vader was trying to do to turn Luke to the darkside. Unleash your hate and join the darkside.

I'm still sticking with: white cowboy hat = good, black cowboy hat = bad

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Re: Doesn't that tie it up that he's bad
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2010, 03:54:35 AM »
So Widmore is good then...

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Re: Doesn't that tie it up that he's bad
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2010, 08:24:13 AM »
UnLock b-slapped Claire...doesn't that reinforce the fact that he's bad?

 Slapping hysterical women straight makes him bad?
YES

And allowing your followers to gas a town makes you....Nice?
Do we know Jacob was ok with that?
And Stopping to chat with Sayid and watching a car hit Nadia? The kid knapping of Walt? The taking out of the Army squad? Bring people to the Island and letting them battle it out?
No problem, the Others are the good guys. They assure that. Why would they say that if that wasn't true.
(For those who didn't get, that is called sarcasm, and I'm agreeing with Bostonlost)

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Re: Doesn't that tie it up that he's bad
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2010, 08:40:26 AM »
I think there are more so shades of grey rather than absolute good and absolute bad. Most people on the island right now are motivated by their own desires and wants. Whether it be getting off the island, protecting the island, finding out wtf is going on, personal redemption, etc. Whatever the reason may be, they're actions are being dictated by their own desires. If it were straight up good versus evil, I think MIB would be showing a lot less mercy to the others. If he was evil incarnate why would he give them a chance to leave with him? Wouldn't he just not care about anybody but himself? Wouldn't he just kill everybody?

The whole thing about his mother last night, and him telling Sawyer that he was, at one point, a man just like him and so on shows that he's not absolute evil. Another thing he said was something like "they were told they were protecting the island from me when all I want to do is leave." To me, that doesn't say pure evil. That says victim.

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Re: Doesn't that tie it up that he's bad
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2010, 09:09:32 AM »

The whole thing about his mother last night, and him telling Sawyer that he was, at one point, a man just like him and so on shows that he's not absolute evil. Another thing he said was something like "they were told they were protecting the island from me when all I want to do is leave." To me, that doesn't say pure evil. That says victim.

Totally agree with the shades of grey. The black and white is that MIB is evil to Jacob's good...but sometimes people do bad things for reasons. Maybe not the right reasons, but their reasons nonetheless. I don't see Flocke slapping Claire as evidence of his evil. He was bringing a hysterical woman back into the here and now, and she was trying to KILL Kate.

I want to believe MIB is evil, but he is so damn open, and seemingly honest. Now, he may just be a darned good manipulator....and I DO pay attention to the hints given on the previous week's recap episode, which said something to the effect that MIB was going to bring "death and destruction." But...I don't know. This might be one of those situations (alluded to in "Recon") where MIB has some justification for what he has done. Not unlike Ben and so many others.

Of course, he might just be setting everyone up for the big crash too.