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« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2010, 11:40:50 AM »
I haven't really been sure as to whether or not MIB has been telling the truth, and to be quite honest, I don't think he has been 100% honest with anyone so far. BUT, for some reason, when he and Kate were alone on the beach, I got the feeling that was real. I think the key here is that he said he had a mother just like everyone else.

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« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2010, 11:45:00 AM »
In the "Cave of Names", we see the scales and Flocke throws the white stone into the water, and Sawyer asks what that was all about.  Flocke says , "Inside joke.". Yeah, really inside!  Like he was saying that he won out over the "good guy", Jacob.  Then when Dogan is talking to Sayid in a subsequent episode, he says that every man IS a scale, and they can tip either way, toward evil, or toward good.  This analogy flashed me back to the scenario in the cave with a little "insider's view" at that point.

MangoBingo has a thread in the theories section that explains it quite nicely.  Each subsequent epi gives me more and more reason to believe this is true.  I know I'm not the only one, as there's at least one other poster who has been postulating this theory for some time.  I was unaware of it until one of Mango's posts hit me in the head early this season, and it's been progressing along quite nicely so far. I have no idea how they are going to make it work...but it really looks possible!

I've never been convinced that Jacob and MIB are one and the same, two sides to the same person, but I'll be the first to admit I can't disprove it either!  So here's one more line of dialog to feed the theory...
Dogen tells Sayid the story of his son's death and Jacob's offer to save him if Dogen gives up his life and joins Jacob, then he asks Sayid if the man outside (no name given, of course) had made him a similar offer.  I guess this could be taken to suggest that they could be the same person.  I don't know, but I'm still leaning toward them being two separate people, maybe closely related like brothers, but separate.

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« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2010, 01:05:42 PM »
In the "Cave of Names", we see the scales and Flocke throws the white stone into the water, and Sawyer asks what that was all about.  Flocke says , "Inside joke.". Yeah, really inside!  Like he was saying that he won out over the "good guy", Jacob.  Then when Dogan is talking to Sayid in a subsequent episode, he says that every man IS a scale, and they can tip either way, toward evil, or toward good.  This analogy flashed me back to the scenario in the cave with a little "insider's view" at that point.

MangoBingo has a thread in the theories section that explains it quite nicely.  Each subsequent epi gives me more and more reason to believe this is true.  I know I'm not the only one, as there's at least one other poster who has been postulating this theory for some time.  I was unaware of it until one of Mango's posts hit me in the head early this season, and it's been progressing along quite nicely so far. I have no idea how they are going to make it work...but it really looks possible!

I've never been convinced that Jacob and MIB are one and the same, two sides to the same person, but I'll be the first to admit I can't disprove it either!  So here's one more line of dialog to feed the theory...
Dogen tells Sayid the story of his son's death and Jacob's offer to save him if Dogen gives up his life and joins Jacob, then he asks Sayid if the man outside (no name given, of course) had made him a similar offer.  I guess this could be taken to suggest that they could be the same person.  I don't know, but I'm still leaning toward them being two separate people, maybe closely related like brothers, but separate.

If it turns out that Jacob and MIB are the same entity (which I'm not backing just yet), I will laugh my butt off because of that one line when they're sitting on the beach as the Black Rock approacheth:
Jacob (eating fish): want some fish?
MIB: no thanks,  just ate.

Bahahaha.

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« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2010, 01:17:43 PM »
In the "Cave of Names", we see the scales and Flocke throws the white stone into the water, and Sawyer asks what that was all about.  Flocke says , "Inside joke.". Yeah, really inside!  Like he was saying that he won out over the "good guy", Jacob.  Then when Dogan is talking to Sayid in a subsequent episode, he says that every man IS a scale, and they can tip either way, toward evil, or toward good.  This analogy flashed me back to the scenario in the cave with a little "insider's view" at that point.

MangoBingo has a thread in the theories section that explains it quite nicely.  Each subsequent epi gives me more and more reason to believe this is true.  I know I'm not the only one, as there's at least one other poster who has been postulating this theory for some time.  I was unaware of it until one of Mango's posts hit me in the head early this season, and it's been progressing along quite nicely so far. I have no idea how they are going to make it work...but it really looks possible!

I've never been convinced that Jacob and MIB are one and the same, two sides to the same person, but I'll be the first to admit I can't disprove it either!  So here's one more line of dialog to feed the theory...
Dogen tells Sayid the story of his son's death and Jacob's offer to save him if Dogen gives up his life and joins Jacob, then he asks Sayid if the man outside (no name given, of course) had made him a similar offer.  I guess this could be taken to suggest that they could be the same person.  I don't know, but I'm still leaning toward them being two separate people, maybe closely related like brothers, but separate.

If it turns out that Jacob and MIB are the same entity (which I'm not backing just yet), I will laugh my butt off because of that one line when they're sitting on the beach as the Black Rock approacheth:
Jacob (eating fish): want some fish?
MIB: no thanks,  just ate.

Bahahaha.

Well, that proves it then!  They are separate!   :D  I feel better now about my initial gut feeling that they aren't two tormented halfs of the same person.......(oh, shut up, you know you're wrong.........no, you shut up.....)   :-\

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Re: MIB's Mommy
« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2010, 01:18:17 PM »
I think it is a distinct possibility. The point where I struggle with it though is the endgame scenario of it. Whenever I have a theory I ask how it would be tied up. I can't think of a way this scenario ties itself up aside from the two sides just enjoy manipulating people. It wouldn't surprise me given all the Dharma experiments and all. If Jacob and MiB are just conducting a cosmic experiment with people's lives is the only one I can come up with, and I feel it would be a bit too, "Awe, really!?!" for TPTB.

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« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2010, 02:31:43 PM »
Well, that proves it then!  They are separate!   :D  I feel better now about my initial gut feeling that they aren't two tormented halfs of the same person.......(oh, shut up, you know you're wrong.........no, you shut up.....)   :-\

No, no, no, Lostfan777 - my point is that the scene where there are two dude, sort of shows that they are one in the same. Guy A eats some fish then offers it to guy B who says "no thanks, I just ate" - because guy A just ate. Get it?

I'm not the one who first pointed this out, but I love the idea of it.

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« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2010, 02:34:56 PM »
Well, that proves it then!  They are separate!   :D  I feel better now about my initial gut feeling that they aren't two tormented halfs of the same person.......(oh, shut up, you know you're wrong.........no, you shut up.....)   :-\

No, no, no, Lostfan777 - my point is that the scene where there are two dude, sort of shows that they are one in the same. Guy A eats some fish then offers it to guy B who says "no thanks, I just ate" - because guy A just ate. Get it?

I'm not the one who first pointed this out, but I love the idea of it.

OK, NOW I get it!  That's why my username is lowercase, not because I'm a fan of Lost, but because I'm a 'lost' fan!  My head hurts!    ;D

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« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2010, 04:07:51 PM »
I go for he has the same mommy as David Shepard. The one we didn't see, because she was not home.
And he has the same daddy too.

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« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2010, 04:37:53 PM »

Back to MIB - - Interesteing that he has Mommy issues; Claire & Kate have issues with being Mommy; Jack, Sawyer, Hurley & Locke have Daddy issues . . . If this whole thing ends up being a group therapy session I will be seriously pissed off!
Locke also has Mommie issues.  A crazy Mommie, in fact.  When he was talking to Sawyer about knowing what it's like to love, to be betrayed, etc, it could have been Locke talking.  Tonight when he said he had a crazy mother it could have been Locke talking.  I wonder if Smokie has an identity crisis.  Like maybe he doesn't know where Locke ends and he begins.  Is he becoming Locke?  Is his personality blending into Locke's?  Is that what happens when he gets stuck?  He loses himself?
I wondered if Locke was coming through when, after he saw the little blond kid in the jungle in a previous ep, he yelled, "Don't tell me what I can't do!" (or similar), which was a very Locke thing to say.
Yes, very much what Locke would have said.  I believe Locke is coming through loud and clear and maybe even taking over.  I really like the current version of Locke.

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« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2010, 05:11:02 PM »
In the "Cave of Names", we see the scales and Flocke throws the white stone into the water, and Sawyer asks what that was all about.  Flocke says , "Inside joke.". Yeah, really inside!  Like he was saying that he won out over the "good guy", Jacob.  Then when Dogan is talking to Sayid in a subsequent episode, he says that every man IS a scale, and they can tip either way, toward evil, or toward good.  This analogy flashed me back to the scenario in the cave with a little "insider's view" at that point.

MangoBingo has a thread in the theories section that explains it quite nicely.  Each subsequent epi gives me more and more reason to believe this is true.  I know I'm not the only one, as there's at least one other poster who has been postulating this theory for some time.  I was unaware of it until one of Mango's posts hit me in the head early this season, and it's been progressing along quite nicely so far. I have no idea how they are going to make it work...but it really looks possible!

I've never been convinced that Jacob and MIB are one and the same, two sides to the same person, but I'll be the first to admit I can't disprove it either!  So here's one more line of dialog to feed the theory...
Dogen tells Sayid the story of his son's death and Jacob's offer to save him if Dogen gives up his life and joins Jacob, then he asks Sayid if the man outside (no name given, of course) had made him a similar offer.  I guess this could be taken to suggest that they could be the same person.  I don't know, but I'm still leaning toward them being two separate people, maybe closely related like brothers, but separate.

If it turns out that Jacob and MIB are the same entity (which I'm not backing just yet), I will laugh my butt off because of that one line when they're sitting on the beach as the Black Rock approacheth:
Jacob (eating fish): want some fish?
MIB: no thanks,  just ate.

Bahahaha.

That was just a red herring.

<I always thought it was funny that the fish really was a red herring>

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Re: MIB's Mommy
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2010, 09:42:00 PM »
I haven't really been sure as to whether or not MIB has been telling the truth, and to be quite honest, I don't think he has been 100% honest with anyone so far. BUT, for some reason, when he and Kate were alone on the beach, I got the feeling that was real. I think the key here is that he said he had a mother just like everyone else.

I buy this and Lockes Mom was crazy.  I am also wondering now if he couldn't kill Jacob is because he is related to him

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« Reply #41 on: March 18, 2010, 11:06:56 PM »
I haven't really been sure as to whether or not MIB has been telling the truth, and to be quite honest, I don't think he has been 100% honest with anyone so far. BUT, for some reason, when he and Kate were alone on the beach, I got the feeling that was real. I think the key here is that he said he had a mother just like everyone else.

I buy this and Lockes Mom was crazy.  I am also wondering now if he couldn't kill Jacob is because he is related to him

I thought this was a reference to Jacob in the Bible.  If I remember the story right, Jacob was making stew and his brother came home and was starving, and Jacob offered him some stew in return for his brother's birthright.  His brother agreed (he must have been really really hungry) and much drama ensued afterwards.  Anyway, I thought the whole "want some fish" exchange was a reference to that.

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« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2010, 12:45:03 AM »
In the "Cave of Names", we see the scales and Flocke throws the white stone into the water, and Sawyer asks what that was all about.  Flocke says , "Inside joke.". Yeah, really inside!  Like he was saying that he won out over the "good guy", Jacob.  Then when Dogan is talking to Sayid in a subsequent episode, he says that every man IS a scale, and they can tip either way, toward evil, or toward good.  This analogy flashed me back to the scenario in the cave with a little "insider's view" at that point.

MangoBingo has a thread in the theories section that explains it quite nicely.  Each subsequent epi gives me more and more reason to believe this is true.  I know I'm not the only one, as there's at least one other poster who has been postulating this theory for some time.  I was unaware of it until one of Mango's posts hit me in the head early this season, and it's been progressing along quite nicely so far. I have no idea how they are going to make it work...but it really looks possible!
Gotta say, the first time I read this, I wasn't sold, but each episode has me thinking back to it and saying, hmmmm

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« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2010, 03:02:57 PM »
Doc Jensen has a crazy theory that MIB is somehow Faraday, his 'crazy mother' being of course Miss Hawking, and his father, Charles Widmore, just came to the island to teach his son some manners. Faraday-MIB of course wants his father dead, and he sends Sawyer to whack him, just like Locke sent Sawyer to kill his father. Not sure what to think of this theory yet.

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« Reply #44 on: March 22, 2010, 02:08:20 PM »
I thought about Faraday too. That he became smoke, because he was killed before being born.
But I think the man on the beach is Smoky's real form and that man has blue eyes, Faraday has black eyes.
And Daniel is human after 1977, he only lost his memory, because he was looping between 1977 and 2004 till infinity,
like the compass.