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Re: They changed the past!
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2010, 02:54:56 PM »
I think time fractured in 1977 and not 2004..

It makes sense that a game-changing explosion in '77 would change things from that point on, not just put them back on the plane in 2004.  By 2004, their off-island lives have gone on different paths than we've seen before and even the island itself is now under water.
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I still think that fate and destiny cannot be changed and somehow although different life paths have been taken to get them where they are at in 2004 since 1977, fate and destiny will play a role in making sure certain interactions and things also happen to some extent.

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Re: They changed the past!
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2010, 03:08:32 PM »
I guess you could look at it many ways

Butterfly effect or George Bailey

We don't know why Kate is on the run...She could just be a bank robber

Sawyer could be still a con artist...Or his parrents could still be alive

Sayid might already be married already

He could have just been being sarcastic, but the marshall (dont remember his name) responded with "just a murderer" when asked if he had anything to claim in customs... seems to me she's still on the run from blowing up the house.

Also, did I miss something? Or have we not seen anything of this money that Jin brought to Los Angeles? Weren't they on vacation? Not business?

No they were on the run....Or were they now?

I think Jin may have planned to take Sun away and not come back. In the episode where he goes to talk to his dad, his dad tells him to take Sun and run away to America. So maybe that was his plan all along. Now if the flight attendant did call Sun Ms. Paik (I'll have to check later to make sure), maybe for whatever reason, Jin did end up working for Sun's father, and he did have to take the watch to someone, but Sun is there as like an enforcer?? Tell me it would not be awesome if Sun was there to keep an eye on Jin and smack him around if things got out of hand. Perhaps Jin is just planning on running away on his own because he doesn't like doing the things that Paik has him doing.

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Re: They changed the past!
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2010, 03:40:46 PM »
I think Jin may have planned to take Sun away and not come back. In the episode where he goes to talk to his dad, his dad tells him to take Sun and run away to America. So maybe that was his plan all along. Now if the flight attendant did call Sun Ms. Paik (I'll have to check later to make sure), maybe for whatever reason, Jin did end up working for Sun's father, and he did have to take the watch to someone, but Sun is there as like an enforcer?? Tell me it would not be awesome if Sun was there to keep an eye on Jin and smack him around if things got out of hand. Perhaps Jin is just planning on running away on his own because he doesn't like doing the things that Paik has him doing.
I think we can even take this a bit farther... my initial assumption when the TSA lady asked Sun if she spoke English was that the long pause was to determine whether or not to say anything and try to save Jin or just let him be taken away.  However, it could be in this reset that she just doesn't know English.

Great catch about on the Ms. Paik thing... I heard it, but it never crossed my mind until reading it here.

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Re: They changed the past!
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2010, 03:50:31 PM »
Something intersting I just read on Lostpedia... The woman security officer calls Sun "Ms. Paik" as Jin is being escorted away... Why wouldnt she call her "Mrs. Kwon"? I think more has changed in this alternate timeline than we're led to believe.

I think time fractured in 1977 and not 2004..

It makes sense that a game-changing explosion in '77 would change things from that point on, not just put them back on the plane in 2004.  By 2004, their off-island lives have gone on different paths than we've seen before and even the island itself is now under water.

I'm thinking in this direction as well... maybe the bomb destroyed/sunk the island and Jacob never got the chance to "touch" any of the losties. For example, maybe he never gave Sawyer the pen to finish the letter he wrote, and that kept him from becoming a con man in this new timeline.

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Re: They changed the past!
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2010, 03:57:04 PM »

I'm thinking in this direction as well... maybe the bomb destroyed/sunk the island and Jacob never got the chance to "touch" any of the losties. For example, maybe he never gave Sawyer the pen to finish the letter he wrote, and that kept him from becoming a con man in this new timeline.
I think this is the case too... sawyer's line about a conman to Hurley was maybe to throw us off. I've been wondering if he really is conning in 2004 since we know that Hurley is lucky now, not cursed. Although, Kate is still a fugitive.

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Re: They changed the past!
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2010, 03:59:02 PM »
So what are all the little details that are changed?

-Rose is saying all of Jack's lines on the plane (he's nervous, not her) It's reversed.
-Hurley is lucky
-Shannon is not there
-Desmond IS there
-Jack was given one bottle by Cindy, not two

What else am I missing?

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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2010, 04:16:51 PM »
Desmond IS there and then he is not. Now, it might be that he just went to the toilet or back to his seat near the snoring passenger, but it could be that something happened DURING the flight. Jack does get that mysterious neck wound during the flight. Charlie is saved.

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Re: They changed the past!
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2010, 04:29:14 PM »
So what are all the little details that are changed?

-Rose is saying all of Jack's lines on the plane (he's nervous, not her) It's reversed.
-Hurley is lucky
-Shannon is not there
-Desmond IS there
-Jack was given one bottle by Cindy, not two

What else am I missing?
Jack's haircut is his 70's look. He was seated at the window this round instead of the aisle.

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Re: They changed the past!
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2010, 04:30:51 PM »
I think we can even take this a bit farther... my initial assumption when the TSA lady asked Sun if she spoke English was that the long pause was to determine whether or not to say anything and try to save Jin or just let him be taken away.  However, it could be in this reset that she just doesn't know English.

I LOVE this possibility and hadn't heard anyone suggest it yet. In this alternate reality Sun never learned English.

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Re: They changed the past!
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2010, 04:34:32 PM »
So what are all the little details that are changed?

-Rose is saying all of Jack's lines on the plane (he's nervous, not her) It's reversed.
-Hurley is lucky
-Shannon is not there
-Desmond IS there
-Jack was given one bottle by Cindy, not two

What else am I missing?
Jack's haircut is his 70's look. He was seated at the window this round instead of the aisle.

Also, Sawyer's haircut and shave is not like it was in the pilot episode.

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Re: They changed the past!
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2010, 04:45:43 PM »
I've been trying to wrack my brains of all the incidents that we've been shown from before 2004 that led up to the 815a crash that may have not happened now, therefore haven't influenced these people in the same way. It would be interesting to know if Locke is still visited as a child to choose the item (knife/compass etc) in this new timeline/do-over, for example. All these small influences came together before for a reason, so if they haven't happened this time around, maybe we're just seeing what would have happened to these people's lives without them and in some cases the people have still turned out on top, some haven't; due to the sort of people they are, rather than anything to do with the Island...

Not sure if any of that makes sense or not lol!

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Re: They changed the past!
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2010, 05:16:13 PM »
I've been trying to wrack my brains of all the incidents that we've been shown from before 2004 that led up to the 815a crash that may have not happened now, therefore haven't influenced these people in the same way. It would be interesting to know if Locke is still visited as a child to choose the item (knife/compass etc) in this new timeline/do-over, for example. All these small influences came together before for a reason, so if they haven't happened this time around, maybe we're just seeing what would have happened to these people's lives without them and in some cases the people have still turned out on top, some haven't; due to the sort of people they are, rather than anything to do with the Island...

Not sure if any of that makes sense or not lol!


It would make sense that the Lostie's lives would have been exactly the same up until 1977.

Now, related to the comments about Sun's last name in the thread above... Neither Jin nor Sun is wearing wedding rings in the Alternate time line on the plane.

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Re: They changed the past!
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2010, 05:19:38 PM »
I've been trying to wrack my brains of all the incidents that we've been shown from before 2004 that led up to the 815a crash that may have not happened now, therefore haven't influenced these people in the same way. It would be interesting to know if Locke is still visited as a child to choose the item (knife/compass etc) in this new timeline/do-over, for example. All these small influences came together before for a reason, so if they haven't happened this time around, maybe we're just seeing what would have happened to these people's lives without them and in some cases the people have still turned out on top, some haven't; due to the sort of people they are, rather than anything to do with the Island...

Not sure if any of that makes sense or not lol!

Nice. Now I need to re-watch.
It would make sense that the Lostie's lives would have been exactly the same up until 1977.

Now, related to the comments about Sun's last name in the thread above... Neither Jin nor Sun is wearing wedding rings in the Alternate time line on the plane.

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Re: They changed the past!
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2010, 05:21:07 PM »
I think we can even take this a bit farther... my initial assumption when the TSA lady asked Sun if she spoke English was that the long pause was to determine whether or not to say anything and try to save Jin or just let him be taken away.  However, it could be in this reset that she just doesn't know English.

I LOVE this possibility and hadn't heard anyone suggest it yet. In this alternate reality Sun never learned English.
Yea!  Thanks!  I'm not as good with original ideas as I am on building off of others, so it's good to get one every now and then! (Even if it is wrong.)

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Re: They changed the past!
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2010, 05:21:28 PM »
I've been trying to wrack my brains of all the incidents that we've been shown from before 2004 that led up to the 815a crash that may have not happened now, therefore haven't influenced these people in the same way. It would be interesting to know if Locke is still visited as a child to choose the item (knife/compass etc) in this new timeline/do-over, for example. All these small influences came together before for a reason, so if they haven't happened this time around, maybe we're just seeing what would have happened to these people's lives without them and in some cases the people have still turned out on top, some haven't; due to the sort of people they are, rather than anything to do with the Island...

Not sure if any of that makes sense or not lol!

I see where you're going with that and have had similar thoughts. Timelines and visits to and from the island seem so intertwined, where do they separate? Like the numbers Hurley played in the lottery, they came from the island. Did he still win with those same numbers? It's tough because we've only seen one episode and don't know what is different now with the group that landed at LAX - like Hurley being lucky now. I'm trying to be careful to not make assumptions about anything, lol.