Island Under Water?

[losttill0208]

Simply put, they created a new timeline..but couldn't go into the new timeline because that would cause all sort of paradoxes.. And since Faraday's not there to explain the flaw in his experiment, they all think it didn't work, but it really did. Just not for them but their parallel selves.

[trodge]

Funny thing about the island underwater. Waaaaay back in season 2 when they first showed us the hatch and the mural that was painted in the hatch.

We looked at all sorts of pictures of it.  My buddy tells me, the island can go underwater.  At the time I'm like guy "That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard"  Looked at the pictures of the mural and somewhat agreed that the island looks covered in water.  Flash forward 4 years and boom the island is underwater.

I'm kinda afraid to go to work today

[rhythm]

I forgot about the mural...
http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~andorfc/iowa_mural.html

[My Sideways Self]

Just because the plane does not land, why is the island under water? Why would the plane landing make the island not be there any more??

Shouldn't the island still be there even if the plane still lands?

maybe the hydrogen bomb going off made it sink.

But the bomb went off for the island time line also. Juliet said she detonated it. So that means they would be under water.

Juliet just said "it worked"

[FrisbeeGreg]

I think the bomb detonated and from 1977 on changed the timeline.  There is only one timeline but when oceanic 815 is in the air (Desmond sitting next to Jack, Jack saving Charlie etc.) the island is now underwater.  Whether it is a result of the H bomb or the "war" we are about to see is unclear.

With our Losties at the Temple they are still in the timeline where the island ends up at the bottomof the ocean, but we will see how that happens this season.

Does the island being underwater mean that MIB "won" the war? Or is that a failsafe to prevent MIB from winning and is what Jacob referred to as "progress". 

Perhaps the island underwater is the ending " it only ends once"

gawd I love this show!

[Mrs Alpert]

I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but the island is in the wrong place. In the original timeline, 815 had to travel 2 hours off their flight path to get over the island. In the new timeline, the island looked like it was beneath them on the straight-shot path from Sydney to LA.

[lostfromthestart]

I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but the island is in the wrong place. In the original timeline, 815 had to travel 2 hours off their flight path to get over the island. In the new timeline, the island looked like it was beneath them on the straight-shot path from Sydney to LA.

Did the shot pan stright up from the sucken island to the plane in flight?  The pilot did say they had trayed way off course.  He could be wrong.  The equipment on board my have gone haywire due to electromagnetic interference and incorrectly identified them as way off course.

Is a puzzlement.

[My Sideways Self]

The island does have the ability to move!

[zeekloveslost]

Simply put, they created a new timeline..but couldn't go into the new timeline because that would cause all sort of paradoxes.. And since Faraday's not there to explain the flaw in his experiment, they all think it didn't work, but it really did. Just not for them but their parallel selves.

I agree completely. I can understand all the Losties not understanding this and thinking it didn't work, when it really did.  But Faraday?  Surely he would have understood that even if his plan "worked" that the paralel universe of the Losties would continue as well.

[Mrs Alpert]

I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but the island is in the wrong place. In the original timeline, 815 had to travel 2 hours off their flight path to get over the island. In the new timeline, the island looked like it was beneath them on the straight-shot path from Sydney to LA.

Did the shot pan stright up from the sucken island to the plane in flight?  The pilot did say they had trayed way off course.  He could be wrong.  The equipment on board my have gone haywire due to electromagnetic interference and incorrectly identified them as way off course.

Is a puzzlement.

I thought they panned straight down from the plane to the ocean to the sunken island? Did the pilot say in the alternate timeline that they had strayed offcourse? I don't remember... time for rewatch!!

[bluesmanjay]

I thought they panned straight down from the plane to the ocean to the sunken island? Did the pilot say in the alternate timeline that they had strayed offcourse? I don't remember... time for rewatch!!
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If I remember correctly when Jack, Kate, and Charlie went off to find the cockpit, when the found it the pilot told them that they had been off course for like 2 hours. Then smokey can and wreaked havoc with everyone.

[lostfromthestart]

I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but the island is in the wrong place. In the original timeline, 815 had to travel 2 hours off their flight path to get over the island. In the new timeline, the island looked like it was beneath them on the straight-shot path from Sydney to LA.

Did the shot pan stright up from the sucken island to the plane in flight?  The pilot did say they had trayed way off course.  He could be wrong.  The equipment on board my have gone haywire due to electromagnetic interference and incorrectly identified them as way off course.

Is a puzzlement.

Geez, I'm quoting myself now.  I'm saying here that in the original pilot S1 the pilot could have been wrong about their location being far off.  The island probably played havoc with the equipment on the plane.  Sorry if I confused more than we already are.

[Mrs Alpert]

I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but the island is in the wrong place. In the original timeline, 815 had to travel 2 hours off their flight path to get over the island. In the new timeline, the island looked like it was beneath them on the straight-shot path from Sydney to LA.

Did the shot pan stright up from the sucken island to the plane in flight?  The pilot did say they had trayed way off course.  He could be wrong.  The equipment on board my have gone haywire due to electromagnetic interference and incorrectly identified them as way off course.

Is a puzzlement.

Geez, I'm quoting myself now.  I'm saying here that in the original pilot S1 the pilot could have been wrong about their location being far off.  The island probably played havoc with the equipment on the plane.  Sorry if I confused more than we already are.

Ohhh okay, no, it was me, I didn't understand. I don't know enough about the mechanics of piloting a plane, but I would think that two pilots would be able to figure out in which direction they're flying, based at least on the position of the sun. Norris said they turned towards Fiji, but even if the equipment was faulty, I think he would deduce what direction it was in. 

[MangoBingo]

I don't think Jughead's detonation in 1977 caused The Island to become submerged in the alt-timeline.

Think about it... The explosion was supposedly powerful enough to sink a land mass... but at least one Dharma-branded shark survives, as does the kids' swings and the four-toed statue. I think The Island being underwater was (relatively) recent to alt-815 flying over it. There was a severe lack of barnacles and overgrowth on display.

As for whether or not the detonation caused the parallel universe to be created - I'm undecided at present. I'm guessing "probably" for now...

[Optimus J]

I don't think Jughead's detonation in 1977 caused The Island to become submerged in the alt-timeline.

Think about it... The explosion was supposedly powerful enough to sink a land mass... but at least one Dharma-branded shark survives, as does the kids' swings and the four-toed statue. I think The Island being underwater was (relatively) recent to alt-815 flying over it. There was a severe lack of barnacles and overgrowth on display.

As for whether or not the detonation caused the parallel universe to be created - I'm undecided at present. I'm guessing "probably" for now...

Me too. I think the bomb caused the island to appear underwater at the next turn of the wheel.
The unbalance at the energy pockets of Swam and Orchid might have make the island to change to the wrong place.
And the only certainty we were presented until now is that occurs prior to 2001, due to Des completing the race.