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Re: NOT the Incident
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2010, 09:10:49 PM »
Why would they provied outside communication to a button pusher? 
Why did God put the apple tree in the garden of Eden?
Well, that is a horse of different color.

But it was interesting I have Direct TV and on one of the chanells they were doing a lost recap for those who did not watch all of these years.  Darlton were on commenting also - this is a combined effort with ABC and DTV.  Anyway Ben is talking to Locke and telling him that the entire pushing the button is BS and that he was there and didn't push the button and nothing happened.

So, Ben knew what he was doing when he goaded John to do this.  I think Ben knew exactly what was going to happen.


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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2010, 12:21:33 AM »
In this case, I think the simplest answer is the correct answer.  Which means, the episode where the bomb goes off is called the Incident, so it's safe to assume that that is the "incident" which they're referring to.  And we can assume the bomb goes off and causes some sort of electromagnetic disturbance which needs to be controlled and monitored with the Swan hatch.  Failure to push the button causes another electromagnetic disturbance, which would lead to another "incident."  Therefore, you have the original incident with the bomb and the second incident with Locke not pushing the button and maybe even other incidents in between that we don't know about.

So I'm going to go with they didn't want anyone using the computer for anything other than entering the code because they didn't want anyone to be influenced into not doing their duty.  It would be nice if there is some bigger reveal though that would lead to someone removing that scene from the film as if they didn't want anyone to see it.

yes

simple and obvious explanation

and the video posted by Bob is awesome


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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2010, 06:59:54 PM »
In this case, I think the simplest answer is the correct answer.  Which means, the episode where the bomb goes off is called the Incident, so it's safe to assume that that is the "incident" which they're referring to.  And we can assume the bomb goes off and causes some sort of electromagnetic disturbance which needs to be controlled and monitored with the Swan hatch.  Failure to push the button causes another electromagnetic disturbance, which would lead to another "incident."  Therefore, you have the original incident with the bomb and the second incident with Locke not pushing the button and maybe even other incidents in between that we don't know about.

So I'm going to go with they didn't want anyone using the computer for anything other than entering the code because they didn't want anyone to be influenced into not doing their duty.  It would be nice if there is some bigger reveal though that would lead to someone removing that scene from the film as if they didn't want anyone to see it.

yes

simple and obvious explanation

and the video posted by Bob is awesome



Maxor127,

You're explanation is better than mine and I agree with you 100%.  I also believe when they wrote that scene they may have had other intentions for the "Incident," but later changed what the "Incident" was when they decided to do the whole Time-Travel storyline... I'm definitely not convince that they had this whole thing planned out from the beginning...

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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2010, 10:25:53 AM »
In this case, I think the simplest answer is the correct answer.  Which means, the episode where the bomb goes off is called the Incident, so it's safe to assume that that is the "incident" which they're referring to.  And we can assume the bomb goes off and causes some sort of electromagnetic disturbance which needs to be controlled and monitored with the Swan hatch.  Failure to push the button causes another electromagnetic disturbance, which would lead to another "incident."  Therefore, you have the original incident with the bomb and the second incident with Locke not pushing the button and maybe even other incidents in between that we don't know about.

So I'm going to go with they didn't want anyone using the computer for anything other than entering the code because they didn't want anyone to be influenced into not doing their duty.  It would be nice if there is some bigger reveal though that would lead to someone removing that scene from the film as if they didn't want anyone to see it.

This actually makes sense to me Max. I don't know if I'm 100% on board with it, but it is good, and it does make some sense. Thanks.

Why would they provied outside communication to a button pusher?
Why did God put the apple tree in the garden of Eden?

Where in the bible does it say it was an apple tree??

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Re: NOT the Incident
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2010, 03:51:05 PM »


Where in the bible does it say it was an apple tree??

It doesn't - but if it was an orange tree, Eve probably would've thought it was too much trouble.

Also, I was under the impression that everything in the show was mapped out.... it isn't?  Well if that's the case, the likelihood of the bomb being a reset button is a great way for the writers to get out of the confusing narratives they're currently in.  However, I really hope it isn't a reset.  I like the confusing stuff.

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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2010, 05:04:39 PM »


Where in the bible does it say it was an apple tree??

It doesn't - but if it was an orange tree, Eve probably would've thought it was too much trouble.

BAM!! I like you already. LOL

Also, I was under the impression that everything in the show was mapped out.... it isn't?  Well if that's the case, the likelihood of the bomb being a reset button is a great way for the writers to get out of the confusing narratives they're currently in.  However, I really hope it isn't a reset.  I like the confusing stuff.

Now where did you get the impression everything was mapped out?? Or am I not understanding what you mean by mapped out??

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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2010, 07:13:55 PM »
The apple tree is infered by the tree of knowledge and then depicted as such in paintings.  Lost in translation from years back.

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« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2010, 05:23:34 AM »
I think the reason they were told not to communicate with the outside world was to prevent them from communicating with the Pearl Station.  That would lead them to believe they didn't need to push the button, which would lead to another "Incident."  The Incident being the super strong magnetic anamoly, which did happen because they communicated with the outside world and decided not to push the button.

i agree.. thinking about the swan altogether made me realize alot... that there was no real sickness or need for quarentine... it was just a way to make the people inside the hatch ( radzinsky, Inman, and Desmond to STAY in the hatch pushing the button ... doing the zombie work forever to prevent another incident... like maybe crashing a flight, or causing the station to implode ... from happening. though it never was really said who was typing back to Michael when he typed on the swan computer... it said it was walt... but i think it was actually Mikhail playing a mind f**k on him.

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« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2010, 10:19:39 AM »
I think 'the incident' was the release of the magnetic force.  Jack and friends went back and either reset the timeline or not, but 'the incident', the release of the force, still took place.  Now jump ahead to the hatch and the computer.  Entering the code and pushing the button keeps the force from being released again, which would cause another incident.

So how would using the computer for any other reason lead to another incident?  Easy.  Everyone knows that (computers) + (communication) = (pornography)!  Add a lonely guy with nothing to do to the equation and that computer would be crashed in no time!  Viola!, another incident and one panicked Dharma Tech with his %$#@! in his hand!

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« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2010, 01:24:27 PM »
ya im sure thats what the writers had in mind... dont crank your wank when youre supposed to be watching the button... that includes youporn.com

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Re: NOT the Incident
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2010, 03:50:19 PM »


Where in the bible does it say it was an apple tree??

It doesn't - but if it was an orange tree, Eve probably would've thought it was too much trouble.

BAM!! I like you already. LOL

Also, I was under the impression that everything in the show was mapped out.... it isn't?  Well if that's the case, the likelihood of the bomb being a reset button is a great way for the writers to get out of the confusing narratives they're currently in.  However, I really hope it isn't a reset.  I like the confusing stuff.

Now where did you get the impression everything was mapped out?? Or am I not understanding what you mean by mapped out??

I thought that the main events of the show were basically decided from the beginning, like "Ok, at the end of the 5th season, we're going to detonate a bomb!"  Although I realize that certain characters may have received more focus or what not based on viewer reaction, I thought that the main story was already written.  I just remember reading that the Adam and Eve skeletons were placed in the very beginning of the show to prove that.  I don't know, though.  I also remember reading that Eko was supposed to be more significant in the grand scheme of the show, but his part was re-written.  So... I guess I could be wrong about the whole mapped-out thing.

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« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2010, 04:16:31 PM »
I thought that the main events of the show were basically decided from the beginning, like "Ok, at the end of the 5th season, we're going to detonate a bomb!"  Although I realize that certain characters may have received more focus or what not based on viewer reaction, I thought that the main story was already written.  I just remember reading that the Adam and Eve skeletons were placed in the very beginning of the show to prove that.  I don't know, though.  I also remember reading that Eko was supposed to be more significant in the grand scheme of the show, but his part was re-written.  So... I guess I could be wrong about the whole mapped-out thing.

Ohhhh, okay, so then in that case, I did misunderstand what you meant. My fault. If I am remembering what they said at the beginning of all this, they knew how they were going to end the show. As far as ALL of it being mapped out, I doubt it. Things like Adam and Eve, Smokey, The D.I., Jacob; yeah, those were probably all thought out before the show was "official".

But certain things like Jack, Ben, Eko, Nikki and Paulo (ewww, shudder) were all changed from the original intentions. Jack was suppossed to die in the first season, maybe even the first episode if I remember right (I think he was suppossed to take the pilot's place in the first episode). Ben was not suppossed to turn into the leader of the Others, Eko was supposedly going to have some kind of crazy story, and (this I know for sure) Nikki and Paulo were suppossed to have a story arc that carried over into the fourth season, but because we all hated them so much they killed them off.

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« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2010, 04:31:20 PM »
I think one of the great things about the show is that it did kind of have that ad hoc quality when it needed to change course they were flexible enough to get off their bottoms and change it.  if something didn't work get rid of it and move on.  I think the fans reactions to what the show is or how it was moving made it a bit more interseting than normal. 

So (shudder as Bob would say) Nikki and Paulo were not something you could just drop into the show and expect us fans to say Hey who put the pink elephant in my living room.  They fixed and killed them off promptly.

I guess this being the season finale I am less apt to be up their butts for not being consisten  I mean let us face it if after five years we are willing to dedicate time to the show and be on here they did their job.  They hooked us and we are off and running for the final season.


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« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2010, 04:40:58 PM »
I thought that the main events of the show were basically decided from the beginning, like "Ok, at the end of the 5th season, we're going to detonate a bomb!"  Although I realize that certain characters may have received more focus or what not based on viewer reaction, I thought that the main story was already written.  I just remember reading that the Adam and Eve skeletons were placed in the very beginning of the show to prove that.  I don't know, though.  I also remember reading that Eko was supposed to be more significant in the grand scheme of the show, but his part was re-written.  So... I guess I could be wrong about the whole mapped-out thing.

I think I remember them saying that they knew what the island was and why people were drawn there, but that some of the storylines needed to change along the way.  They definitely said that they would reveal who Adam and Eve are and it would show that they had a plan all along.  My question is (I can't remember all of the scene) was it confirmed that the skeletons were a male and a female?  I thought it would be cool if it ended up being Jacob and the MIB, black and white like the stones.

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« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2010, 05:33:17 PM »
I recently saw an interview with the writers and they said it wasn't until after Season 3, when they got a firm end date, that they really "mapped things out".  So the stuff in the first 3 Season are going to be a lot more ad hoc, then the stuff in the last 3...