I prefer the original characters, but I do like Miles and Daniel. I was not bored with the last episode.

I find it hard to believe you want to see more of Radzinski, what an annoying character. Kelvin talked about the great Radzinski and he turns out to be a whining a-hole. I was disappointed with that. I am not thrilled with the casting of Horace either. He does not work for me.

Only Daniel(of the freighter folk) is interesting so far to me, because we are going to get answers from him.

we've found out so much about the original losties, and it feels like any more stories about them would just be repetitive, we need some more flashbacks with the newer characters, especially daniel.

hey juggy, of course i was happy with hurley being at the forefront of the episode lol

i can see where you are coming from with the lower rating because of boring storyline, i just thought that the character interactions, acting, and development trumped that

Oh, and it seems like many people care only about the Season 1 losties, but for me it's different.

I'd rather find out more about Desmond, Ben, Juliet, Miles, Faraday, Marvin Candle, Richard, Lapidus, Widmore, Horace, Radzinsky, Jacob than our original castaways. The only ones who still work for me are Hurley and Sawyer. Jack, Kate and Sayid have run out of story material.

Yeah, but it was also nerd-flick, since it had all the SW references.
Hey, maybe that's why it felt like a good episode to both sexes!

That is an interesting question.

I was not asking for car crashes or gun fight. Just to move the story forward a little. And focus on something important.

i have just been woindering how the episode fared across gender lines. Was it the tv equivalent of a "chick flick?" At the risk of being sexist, we women often prefer character development over car crashes and fights. (yes, I know there are exceptions). Just wo0ndering.

well for me, this episodes is what i like about the show. last season has been interesting so far but failed to produce emotions and the experience i had watching the first season. This episode did it! i felt like watching real lost. would give it a 10 myself

I agree that Dead is Dead was not a great episode either, even though it had more reveals. As I stated it in the article it had its own problems and I think you nailed them. Rushed and incomplete scenes covers it.

Since I'm not a reveal junkie, I can be objective and say that this was the best episode of the season along with LeFleur, because of the character development. Miles and Hurley and Chang are great together, and the whole "building of the Swan" setting was good background. I am not a Star Wars fan by any means, but the way they referenced it works.

Dead is Dead, even though it had big reveals, was quite a bad episode, since they all seemed out of character. Maybe Michael Emerson didn't deliver this time, but I found Dead is Dead a rush of reveals and incomplete scenes, with no real glue to keep it together and no depth at all. They seemed like cardboard characters checking points (Penny - check; Smoke Monster - check, etc.).

You may disagree, but the look Miles gives his dad when he finds out about his musical preferences is a far greater scene than any of the judge Smokey nonsense. I hope they stick to strong episodes such as this one. The reveals should flow organically with the show and not feel like they were forced. Hope The Variable is more like Some Like it Hoth than like Dead is Dead...

I agree, Jug. This episode was a big bore for the most part. Some in my family even started to say "jumped the sh.." but I shot them my "don't mess with mom" look. It got pretty frosty...

I would have loved to see Miles interact with his mother (did she name her baby after her new friend Miles after all?) and find out why she left his father. But no, instead we got some "duh" revelations and a dead end flashback - what exactly was the point of having Miles con that father back in the day? Daddy issues? Really?

I'm getting a little frustrated with the big reveals being kind of, well, duds. $3.2 mill is double what he was being paid by Widmore. Oh. So I guess he really didn't know anything about Ben or his ability to come up with $3.2 mill. Wouldn't that have been more interesting?

Most potentially disappointing was the cavalier manner in which the numbers were presented - oh, this last one is smudged. There better be more to those numbers than just a serial number on a door!

Nice to know I was not alone in my feelings about this episode. I was starting to wonder!!

Love everyones feed back, great discussion.

I believe it is really going to pick up next week and into the final.

Wow, I agree with you so much!!!! I also felt alone in my unrest with this episode. I don't particularly care for Star Wars, because it's pure fantasy, but that's for another discourse. So, I didn't care for the reference, and frankly am getting tired of a Star Wars connectin every time I turn around. The episode really didn't reveal anything.... it felt like one of those "filler" episodes like they used to punish us with before the writer's strike. I expected more this late in the season, darn it! Actually, I'm pining to get back to Locke and Ben - MUCH more interesting than anything else going on right now!

They should have saved the "miles" episode for a bigger payoff. Like coming across the Dharma pit...or finding Adam & Eve. With so few episodes left, this episode was sort of a waste since it didn't really show us anything we didn't already know. I still don't understand what Miles purpose is for being sent to the Island. If he's sent there to communicate with Jacob. Show US! (please)

Good Article Juggy. I came in to work feeling that the episode was boring. It was no surprise that Dr. Chan was "Daddy" and we certainly didn't learn anything about the reason for the numbers on the hatch. I always want answers. Then I decided to look at the episode as my friends do, who all look for different things. Some look at it in Lakkie's perspective, some just love to find Easter Eggs and some look for mistakes. I changed my view and decided I liked the episode. After last night, I am expecting a bang (literally) next week.

Any Lost is good Lost.....but you are right, lets pickup the pace and bring on the meat and potatoes...."MAY THE LOST BE WITH YOU"......
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Laklost- I know you always look deeper into the production of the episodes than I do. You are corret, the production is always top notch~ like yourself.

Novashannon~ I just feel we knew all of the stuff already. Miles is baby chang was not a surprise at all. We learned nothing new about the Swan hatch. How about Hurley over hearing the reason why they built the hatch. Or the dead guy giving Miles this information. This would be something new.

I will give you the fact that you can be by yourself was a revelation we did not know. But overall it was one big yawn fest!

After reading your r eview and some of the comments, I am just floored. I actually thought we were given a lot of information and the show was not at all boring. It had lots of character development, which is far better to me than fight scenes or car chases. WE found out lots of information: a look at the Swan station, another application of the mysterious numbers, the fact that there is a "Circle of Trust" within DHARMA that is hiding deaths and taking the bodies (for what? Scientific study and dissection? researrch on reanimation?), found out for sure that Miles is Baby Chang, discovered that you can be near yourself in time. Jack stepped up and defended Kate (yay). Hurley had a silly scheme based on being in the past and u sing knowledge he had from the future. Being more interested in Star Wars than in betting on sports is soooo Hurley!We had the interactions of Kate and Juliet, Hurley and MIles, and Jack and Linus. I think a lot happened!

I could not agree with you and your bright daughter more. My friends and I all found this episode boring and merely a filler. We had already seen Miles scam someone and give the money back.If this story line was a small section of a more interesting story line then ok. But it was not.
The only part I found intriging was Miles seeing himself as a baby.
The Hoth part was most silly and disappointing. This episode added nothing except showing that the three scientists appeared to all have been born on the island.
So I felt it was one of the worst episodes ever only rivaled by last night's Oceanic 6 recap that added NOTHING new. What is going wrong with
this wonderful show???

Laklost- yeah, what you said.

what would hurley's age have to do with anything? Half the guys (and a few other girls) I knew in HS were Star Wars fans, as are my younger siblings...and my youngest sibling just turned twenty. And no, that is NOT refering to the newer movies. I guess one would have to be a SW fan to get that it has nothing to do with age.
I actually like Miles and Daniel, they're more interesting than some of the main characters much of the time. Miles isn't a jerk. Just sarcastic. And money centered.
Sorry, I thought this was a great ep.

I agree with Juggy. :-)

This felt like a filler episode -- but we're running out of time for fillers.

We didn't get any answers and we really didn't move the story at all; instead we got s-p-e-l-l-e-d out confirmations of a lot of things that had already been obvious: Chang was Miles' father, he can talk to dead people, there's a weird magnetic anomaly around the hatch, all our Losties have daddy issues, etc.

I'm hoping that this turns into another epi like the one when Hurley found the van. That is, that it provides a serious pay-off later on.

That said, of course it was well done -- it's Lost. So I enjoyed it. But in my opinion, Some Like it Hoth was probably the weakest of the season so far.

I have to say in defense of my 10 10's that what I meant was that this chapter of the story where it is in the story is doing exactly what I want it to do. Jug, you know you and I are in a mutual admiration club, but I am not like you in what I am looking for. I never sit down to an episode of Lost and think, "Okay, give me some answers!" So I never, never rate an episode based on the amount of info I leave it with.

I look to Lost for dynamic character interaction (Hurley and Miles - check), poignancy of emotion (Miles, mother - check, check), believability in the plot (building of the Orchid, Swan and the dead bodies - check). I want superb production - I am never disappointed. I always am looking at the sets, the props, even the costumes and getting tremendous satisfaction out of the high level of workmanship I see weekly. I adore, adore, adore Giacchino's score - I wish I could put into words how much his music is constantly commenting on the action to me. And then I get extra moments like Jack calling Kate his "friend" (one of the most selfless things I've ever heard him say about her) and standing up to Roger, and Juliet saying "Here we go" - because the whole history is getting rewritten. That's why I give 10's to this show. I am crazy about it!

Hurley is the perfect age to have beomce a Star Wars fan with the second trilogy (eps 1-3).
Miles is one of the two later-introduced characters whom I actually like. Rather see him than Juliet! I love his interactions with Hurley. I woulod rather see Miles and Hurley than Rose and Bernard! BUT I like Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Jin, and Sun the best.

I got one person to sort of agree with me!!

Thanks Madam P. I do enjoy Miles and Hurley together and loved the scene with Hurley trying to get Miles to hang with his dad. I just want to see the bigger picture. Some serious Lost action.

In the show's (writers) defense. I think they are trying to figure out a way to tell the full story but are still trying to make up for last year's shorter season. If that makes sense...JMO

However, I thought the episode was a little boring too and I felt like Miles didn't add much toward advancing the story.

Poor Juggy! Well, try looking at it this way: yes, Miles is a jerk... but he's a funny jerk. And he and Hurley play off each other so well! It's sort of like Ralph Kramden and Ed Norton in reverse, maybe. I don't know... it just works, ya know?

And of course Hurley would be an Empire Strikes Back kind of guy! He reads comic books, remember? LOL! (No offense to the comic-reading public, now!)

I know what you mean about the "tiny pieces of the story" instead of seeing the whole ensemble cast together. I think, though, that it's just one of those things we'll have to slog through in order to get everything lined up into place for the final big explanation. I see it sort of like putting a puzzle together -- you have to get a lot of the little sections first before you begin to see the whole picture. Or, to use your terms, you almost HAVE to have "set up" before you have "big picture."

Anyway, I bet the last season will ALL be ensemble. Does that help any? LOL!