5x07: Ajira Plane Crash in the Present?

5x07_ajira_plane.jpgTonight we saw John Locke talking with Caesar, and the other survivors of Ajira flight 316. We saw from the wreckage of the plane that they crashed on the small island that houses the Hydra Station. The station appears to be abandoned, and if Locke and company are indeed in the same time as Jack, Kate, and Hurley, during Dharma's heyday, then why would the Hydra be abandoned. The answer, John Locke and company (including Frank and Sun) crashed on the present day island, while Jack, Kate, and Hurley "flashed" to the island's past.

One possible piece of proof is the very image above. A giant plane laying on the beach, on the same side of the beach that Kate and Sawyer left from in Season 3, would have surely been visible to them. And since we didn't see the plane wreckage then, that means it wasn't there and must have crashed in the future at some point. But don't take our word for it, judge for yourself and let us know what you think below.

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smokey_is_king said:

What if Locke DID travel back with the O6 to the Dharma era (where Jin, Daniel and any others have infiltrated the D. Initiative) and has been living on the Island for 30 years (presuming the flashes have stopped) only to return to the Hydra island before the 316 plane crash and pose as a survivor (Ethan and Goodwin-esque) in order to get revenge on Ben?

Mrs. Shephard said:

My vote is for present time.

A Better Tomorrow said:

So that's why Ben had Kate and Sawyer building a runway!

AstroJones said:

Actually Bob, what does confirm, at the least, that they are in different time periods is the map and journal page Caesar finds that is from Faraday's journal. Faraday has his journal on him right now. We've seen him look in it in several episodes. However, a page from that journal is in the Hydra station. This really can't be true if they are in the same time period as Faraday, Sawyer, and the others. So while they might not be in the future (or present) they definitely seem to be in different times.

Novashannon said:

Ben is always scheming!
I think all the original Losties are linked, so Hurley, Jack, and Kate went to whenever the ones who stayed on the island went. That does not explain sun and Locke. Being dead may have changed Locke's link to thim, but what about Sun. It does look like the canoes Sawyer et al took when they were trying to get to the Swan, but why would the newbies shoot at them? Hmm, becasue they stole their canoe, I guess.

westy185 said:

That was a relatively smooth landing, although some people were hurt.

It doesn't look like First Class suffered much, however. I wonder why Ben was hurt so badly? Or maybe he's just pretending to be hurt because, after all, he looked beat to hell when he got on the plane.

The other passengers may have assumed he was hurt in the crash so why not pretend and have a nice soft bed to sleep in?

westy185 said:

They're around the same time that Sawyer & company saw the small boats (outrigger canoes?) at their beach camp. At the time, the camp looked as if it had been abandoned for a few years - but not too long. It might have been "our time," 2007. Of course the boats and Sawyer's beach camp on different islands but they look like the same boats.

Boat related things to think about: Will Caesar shoot at Sawyer&comp from one of those boats one day? Or will it be Frank and the woman he took with him? Is Sun that woman?

JoAnn said:

BobBX542 said:
"there is no way that Frank landed the plane where it is. It looked like it was placed there due to the strange phenomenon that happened with the light. ..."

You know, Bob has a good point here. The intact plane is strongly reminding me of the Blackrock, stranded but apparently intact in the middle of the island. Did the same phenomenon happen to both vessels?

Mattfox14 said:

This plane seems to be pretty intact, unlike the other one

BobBX542 said:

there is no way that Frank landed the plane where it is. It looked like it was placed there due to the strange phenomenon that happened with the light. And this doesn't have to mean they are in the future. they could all be in the same time period, because remember when the Ocena came up and removed the wreckage of Oceanic 815?? Maybe the same thing will happen with the Ajira plane. It is possible they are back in the past. Why the station is abbandoned, I'm not quite sure yet, but I believe that they are all in the same time.

OhJoy said:

Caesar said that Hurley disappeared from the plain so I say they are definitely in different times. Hurley, Jack, etc. are back in time with the Sawyer crew and the rest of the 316 people/Locke are in the present... which must also be the time that Sawyer, etc. were when they found the Ajira water bottle and the rafts. My question though is why did Locke not flash with the other O6 on the plane?

sledgeweb said:

I was just talking about that! Remember when he was so put-off when it was suggested he crashed the helicopter? There's no way he was going to let that plane break up. He LANDED it.

฿ąмЪ� said:

wow Frank sure can land a plane!

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