I never even thought of the fact that the volcano's lava tubes could be the passageways throughout the island. Maybe the tunnel leading to the frozen donkey wheel was one of those very tunnels.

I'm sticking to the volcano theory and massive lava tubes running to all the stations. They are indicated on the blast door map. There was a posting in the Forum about the bomb maybe inside the 4 toed statue theory? That was funny!

I have to stick with the swan simply because of the nice think concrete wall that is in there. :)

But yes there are some things that suggest that it's not that spot either.

Still_lost is right, it was pretty clear that the Others were using the Army camp and were doing so because the threat wasn't over. They were also wearing Army uniforms - waste not, want not. No, really, I'm sure they hoped to get the jump on any subsequent soldiers that showed up. From a distance they would look their own guys. Also, the Others do seem to be living a fairly primitive existence. Most of them are armed with bows and arrows!

Hord: It's certainly possible that a hatch was built around the buried location of Jughead - I just don't think it was the Swan.

Lottery: I'm not going to guess how Jughead figures into the show's future, I'm just going to say we haven't seen the last of it!

Okay, I'll guess. Maybe it gets set off resulting in the island's destruction, and this is what Ben and Hawking and/or Widmore is trying to prevent. How this became Jack's fault for leaving the island I have no idea.

Remember that the others pretend to be uncivilized or at a technical disadvantage to keep anyone who might end up on the island believing they really are vagabonds. I think that the time segment with jughead could be a temporary camp (that the u.s. soldiers made of course) that they are using only until the bomb threat is taken care of.

For more about the "Jughead" device, see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Yankee

The test of "Jughead" was cancelled when the Bravo device was successful, and the few EC-16s which were actually built were withdrawn and dismantled.

Dismantled eh?

Thought some more about this bury-the-bomb problem for the Others. Wasn't there a big deal made about the volcano in the Others school, just as the hostiles attacked? So picture this. . . the Others sacrifice themselves to the island when they carry Jughead to the top of the volcano, where they toss it down old lava tube. It explodes underground mixing with the unique properties of the island. A donkey wheel accidental goes in with it. Presto. Hot DW. Dharma scientist find the unlimited power source and add cryogentic refrigeration (remember, unlimited power source). and Violé Frozen Donkey Wheel.

Don't ask me to explain the time skipping thing.

Not my field of expertise.

What if it's not really a hydrogen bomb? What if someone just wants someone else to think it is?

And another thing - does it seem strange to anyone else that they pre-Dharma Others are seemingly vagabonds living in tents? What was their need to be mobile back then, before Dharma or the 815 survivors?

I also agree with Hord. I think it's a good possibility that the bomb was buried, and that Dharma discovered this and the Swan station was built near where it was buried. However, that doesn't explain why the Swan station featured electromagnetic properties; a hydrogen bomb isn't going to do that. But perhaps the Others, knowing the properties of the island, had a reason to bury a hydrogen bomb next to an electromagnetic mass? Anybody know if an electromagnet would have any effect on a hydrogen bomb?

I agree that the result of turning the failsafe key didn't resemble at all a bomb of that magnitude going off, but we don't know how deep it's buried, and perhaps a 50-year-old leaking hydrogen bomb detonating near an electromagnet (theoretically, in the producers' minds since I doubt this has ever been tested) would produce the effect we saw at the end of season 2.

If that's not what happened, then there's still an active h-bomb somewhere on the island no matter when our Losties are post-1954, which adds an air of doom (beyond endlessly skipping through time, that is).

I agree with Hord. Maybe Dharma arrived, found the bomb, and decided to make an attempt to contain its radiation leakage. It does look like there is a hatch beneath the structure holding the bomb (but the provided images above don't show it).

Dharma built the stations... What if they built one up around the bomb that was placed in the ground by the others?

This is the point that I'm trying to state more or less.

Hord said:
"...could it be that the island is sending them through time to close certain time loops? As in it's not random time travel. But specific moments in time that need to happen so future events occur."

Good thought. The time skipping has to have some intelligence directing it all (Jacob?). With a seemingly unlimited span of time to pop up in, what are the odds that the Losties, especially Locke, arrive at points in time to see: Yemi's plane crash, meet Richard (twice!), meet Desmond during those three years he's in the Swan, meet Daniel's mother just when she's got a bomb to worry about?

Will they get a chance to witness the overthrow of Dharma?

I agree with westy185. The Others of the 1950s were not the Dharmas of the 1970s. The swan station won't be built for another 20 years, so I don't think it is connected.

It seems unlikely this bomb was buried in the Swan Station. The prudent thing to do would have been to bury it right there on the open hillside, not drag it into the jungle.

It's also doubtful that the hastily constructed concrete wall in the Swan, left over buckets and all, was built in the 1950's. On the "hatch map" there's a reference to an "AH/MDG incident of 1985" and Candle's reference to "the incident" that led Dharma to the button pushing made it seem like a recent in this circa 1985 movie reel.

Im agreeing with everyone in sayign that where they bury it is the future SWAN STATION... the concrete... the lead... the explelling of energy. and i think that the key... the failsafe ... to BLOW the damn.... is to ignite the bomb. and the violet sky and the time loss .. as it seemed... and the different effects it had on the people could have been a way that the island was course correcting... or thrown off track a lil... not as much as the energy of the wheel to knock it off track to skip... but enough to effect desmond and the other losties...

Also, Miles said that one of the four u.s. soldiers (the dead and buried ones) died from radiation exposure. Maybe they were the ones who made the structure that is holding up the bomb. Maybe the island was going to be another test site for the h-bomb.

Sayid did say (in the hatch) that the concrete wall could be close to 10 feet thick. Is that enough to keep the radiation from seeping out? That could be part of the 108 minute energy-releasing process.

@NorthShoreOGLost-You are correct about the limitless source of energy, but The Wheel has to do with "Negatively charged exotic matter", the Swan is the station that dealt with Magnetism.

ahhh ok LOL. not a scientist. :)

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Yes he says to bury it in the ground. At least at some point I know that's basically what he tells mommy. :)

When I saw the title of this episode, my first thought was "Jugdish has an episode named after him? Who does HE know?" LOL!

Did Daniel actually use the word "bury"? I missed that. I heard him say "de-activate" for sure. If he did say 'bury' (which I assume he did since everyone here says so) then my money is on it being behind the metal wall in the Swan hatch and the 108-minute button-pushing having something to do with maintaining its stability. It seems like when it blew, though, it would've done worse than just the big hole in the ground where the hatch was, and it seems like Charlie, Locke, Eko, and Desmond would've been toast.

Hord,

"Gravity bomb" is engineer/military speak for a bomb that must be dropped from an airplane. :)

Another thought...

If the boom is a gavity weapon, Could it be causing a wormhole effect? There are massive amounts of energy/gravity to create black holes/white holes.....

Following that out, could it be that the island is sending them through time to close certain time loops?

As in it's not random time travel. But specific moments in time that need to happen so future events occur.

I.E. When Locke tells Richard that he is born 2 years from now and that he should come and see him. And in a previous episode we see Richard visiting him and asking him about the items. Henced a closed loop.

Another example could be Faraday telling Ellie about burying the bomb in lead and behind a thick wall per se. Thus the invention of one of the hatches?

Any chance it was what was behind the that solid wall in the Swan hatch (not the orchid)?

And maybe what was the whole reason for the button pushing?

:)

I don't think the bomb has much to do, if anything with the donkey wheel and its properties. The donkey wheel has to do with a magnetic energy source, not to mention that Mr. Chang described it as an almost limitless source of energy. A hydrogen bomb would give off quite the "boom" but I really don't think harnessing the h-bomb will allow them to discover time travel.

Is the Bomb pointing to a Hatch?

Could the hydrogen bomb have been buried close-to or in the frozen cave? I really don't know the effects of such a leaky weapon of mass destruction but could it be able to melt drills?

Ben, our futures are now laid out before us...I must destroy you and take my island back.

Can we make the case for the frozen donkey wheel, being the a cryogentic refrigerated hydro (HO) gen bomb?

Holy Crogentic Refrigerators, Batman!

See I got screwed. "a leaky hazard that needs to be buried" Why wasn't it a code name for Richard Alpert or someone important.

First we find out HIM is Ben, which is my name, leader of the Others. Then we find out Jones, which is AstroJones, is Widmore, a former Other and rival of Ben. Then we have Jughead... Jugdish? A leaky hazard that needs to be buried. Which SWLS staff will appear next on LOST?

I was highly disappointed to find out what Jughead was. I was hoping it had to do with Kate and Jugdish... I mean Jughead