WHOA! I didn't even notice that. That is a very weird episode. And if Jin's were "flashbacks" what was the point? He was rushing around for a stuffed panda.....what did that have to do with anything?

I think the nurses DID know that sun's husband was dead. they were giving her funny looks. I just thought they were Widmark employees or something, but now I believe they just did not want to remind a woman in labor that her husband was dead, and so went along with it. Also, I think Jin is not dead, and sun knew it.

Why is it, if Sun is a famous "Oceanic 6" survivor, that no one at the hospital knows she lost her husband in the plane crash? Seems kind of suspect to me that nobody reminds Sun that Jin is dead while she's calling out for him over and over again in the hospital. The Dr. Didn't seem to know that her husband supposedly died on Oceanic Flight 815. Was the fact that she was even travelling with Jin covered up too? What did they make Sun lie about to get off the island?
THis is why I think Jin is still alive and on the island. Not one person in this episode ever mentions Jin being dead, not even Sun or Hurley.

I totally thought the substitute doctor was a Widmore plant there to steal the baby, and that the "something for the pain" the nurse injected into Sun was going to be the end of her. Damn those writers; they've got me distrusting everybody in flash-forwards!

loved the trick, did see the outdated cellphone. Still an unexpected twist at the end. Loved it, so much better than the last episode.

loved this episode, and don't believe for a second that Jin is dead. I think he is just on the island like everyone else

Lost in the matrix,

it's pure narrative...some people like Pynchon, some prefer Crichton...not having the flashes thus as they were would have made it more of an average epi, to me at least...

I would rather have someone play with my perceptions a bit then present me with something as easy to guess as some lame Law and Order epi ripped from the pages of a 2 bit Conan Doyle plagiarist...not meant to be rude or disrespectful, just have heard alot of complaining about the narrative path as of late..

a tip o' the glass to ya' all...

In the story Jack told on the stand, he said 8 people survived the crash, but only 6 lived. Maybe as part of the "lie" they have Jin being one of the two who died... lived a while, Sun got pregnant, then he died.

"[A]ll of Sun's flashbacks were flash forwards, to sometime in the year 2005 (around August or so). We know this, also because of the tombstone, and because she is delivering the child she conceived on the island with Jin."

August? Really? Is there anything concrete telling you that it's August? As I posted in the forum, if the October conception date that Juliet gave Sun was correct, then she'd have a mid-July due date.

And if there's some issue where time on the island is moving more slowly than in the rest of the world (like Faraday's experiment might seem to suggest), then the timing would REALLY be off. She'd get off the island in her mid-2nd trimester, but in the real world, it could really be... 9 months or more later? That'd push her delivery date possibly into 2006.

And there's another issue if that time wrinkle exists -- how does she explain being in her 2nd trimester of pregnancy when she's been missing must longer than that? If Jin allegedly died in the plane crash (according to the story they're telling everyone), the paternity of the child is in question. In fact, the paternity of the child is in question anyway because, if Sun has average cycles, the last fertile period she would have had before the crash would have the baby due in May, rather than mid-July.

I did not like the dual flashes. The past and the future... I felt cheated. At least with the other O6, we got an idea of where these people are in their lives. I thought it was cheap to show Jin in the flash-back... to me it was a waste. It would have been better for it to have just been Sun, and with the dramatic effect of her calling for Jin during child-birth. Then to actually go to the grave to see his tombstone.

But I guess, they had to fill the full 40 minutes...lol

What if Jin's flashback really IS a flashforward to the 2012 year of the dragon. Maybe he and Sun had a falling out, he stays on the Island, eventually gets off, gets remarried to someone else, and goes back to working as an enforcer/messenger. Just a wild thought.

Were Sun and Jin even together in 2000? I'm not so sure about that. Anyone?

I was yelling at Jin to stop worrying about the damn Panda! And I still didn't get it was a flash forward.

I was a little dissappointed that the entire flashback was only there for the purpose of tricking us. But I have to admit, the trickery was amazing.

Didn't you all think the MD was going to steal the baby?

They had us confused on Aaron being counted as one of the six, so they knew we would not know if Jin was a flash forward or backward. The writing on this show is amazing.

All in all, the little back and forth with the flashes (hopefully that term will cover both -forwards and -backs) was pretty decent. I thought that when Jin said to the dude in the cab that he would kill him it was a FF, but that because Sun wanted to go back to Korea that he had to continue working for Sun's father.

As for Michael, I'm with Paulo4President. Everyone knew it was him, so I thought they would deffinitely do something different. I could have sworn it was going to be Walt, but mybe it is Walt in a Michael Disguise.

I was confused about the flashes forward and back. My husband was on to it though! As for Michael, I'm happy to see him again. He was an interesting character and who cares that we knew! What happens now is unknown!

I new from the very beginning. It was obvious to me that Sun was all alone. When it cut to Jin, and he was on the phone, you could tell he wasn't talking to or about someone he loved, like Sun, rather just a business type thing. And when he threatened to kill the guy in the car I pretty much new he was still working for Sun's father. I never even thought about the out dated cell phone or the year of the dragon

I was a little dissappointed in Michael being Bens spy. It was one of the few times that "everyone" new it, and thats still what happened. When Ben told Locke last week he would have to sit down (or something like that) because he couldnt possibly believe who the spy was, I thought for sure it would be something much more far reaching then Michael (whose name has been on the credits the entire season)

oceanicair makes a good point. But I wasn't sure if they were counting Aaron as one of the six or not, so that wasn't enough for me to completely rule out Jin's being a flash forward. But it was definitely another piece of evidence (along with the phone, etc.) pointing to Jin's story being a flashback.

I was able to figure out that this episode had a mix of Flashbacks and Flash forwards because we already knew the five of the oceanic six and clearly Sun was the sixth so I figured out that all of Jin's flashes were backwards!!

I figured out something was fishy about 40 minutes in. And then when Jin said "I'll never leave you", I knew he was done for and that we'd probably been watching a flashback. All the pieces (the cell phone, Sun's drug-induced calling out for her husband, etc.) started coming together.

TPTB have really taken to trying to pull fast ones on us week after week. The flash forward last season finale, briefly trying to make us think Juliette's was a flash forward last week, and now this. While I enjoy the ride most of the time, if they keep it up, after awhile I think viewers are going to start feeling cheated. Very few people like to be made to feel like a moron repeatedly. :-)

I hope next week doesn't try to pull any parlor tricks on us and instead just gives us some answers about what's been up with Michael since he and Walt left.

I loved this episode, I did not get that it was a flashforward and a flashback until the very end. I loved the suprise. It was pretty obvious that Ben's man on the boat would be Michael so it was fun to have something else to give me a suprise.