Ok, so we are all guessing on who died.. now let me take you back to season 1, where jack has a hard time getting his father's coffin on the plane at the sydney airport. after the crash, near the caves a part of the plane is found and also the coffin of jack his father is laying there.. in his rage, jack smashes the coffin but it appears empty? so then jack starts seeing odd men in suits standing in the water etc which finally resulted in being his dad, but this part of the story isn't really finished for as far as i know.. so it could be.. (now i'm just gonna let my mind wonder) jack's dad Did come back thanks to the odd powers of the island, but since in the fast forward jack is off the island, his father might have passed away a second time because the island's effects wouldn't be working, which calls for the funeral parlor we are seeing in the screenshot above.. which would also lead to jack wanting to go back to the island, because his father would still be alive? so what you guys think?

well, but he says that his farther has written him a prescription for his medecine. so either christian is alive or jack wrote it itself to deceive the apothecary and to get his medecine... that would maybe explain why he did not want the woman working there to call his farther's office. furthermore, the new doctor rather looked lenient at Jack when he tells him to get his father. maybe they all know that he is "confused" but just have too much respect to tell him that he is simply denying his farther's death.

Concerning Jack's father, perhaps the Island somehow brought him back to life. Not zombie-like but similar to the supernatural healing of Locke, Rose, and other cases. It's a far shot but still one of my little theories. Maybe by leaving the Island, some people gained the lives of loved ones.

elise: lol i feel the same way. i dont like seeing them off the island too. lols. anyway. anyone seen Willard? the funeral home set reminded me of the scene in Willard. O_o; then again, probably all the funeral homes looks like that. :P

It's has to be one of three things:

1) The simple rambling of a drunk man.

2) Jack is dennying his father's death.

3) Christian is stil alive.

It's just hard to say for certain which one is what's going on.

In one of the other of Jack's forward flashes, while being questioned by the new Chief of Surgery, Jack says something to the effect of "bring my father down here and if I am more drunk than he is, you can fire me." Jack father died, if this is a forward flash...?!?!? Is this a script error, or is there something going on here.

Ok...well then. Just for fun; did anybody notice what the number on the funeral home door is. It seems like the producers have stopped dropping our beloved 'LOST Numbers' in random places for some time now...

caskets generally are the same size unless ordered specifically for a child or oversize person, otherwise its a standard size

nope, I grew up in a funeral home..its regular size..a small casket is a lot smaller than that

The first time I watched the episode over again it got to the shot where the camera is above the coffin looking down at Jack and the first thing that popped into my mind was: "woa..that's a small coffin." I got on here and noticed that I wasn't the only person who noticed so it most likely is somewhat undersized. I wouldn't say it's child-size, but it is the size fit for a woman or a short man.

elise-That's what I thought. When Jack is stand ing in front of it, the coffin looks little, but when they show him walking away, it is a regular size.

nah, it was a regular size coffin.. its the angle that threw it off, its a 6 foot casket or regular size

great episodes! didn't the coffin size seem small for an adult? what happened in Jack and Juliet's relationship? Did Juliet get pregnant with Jack's child pre or post island? Maybe Kate's reaction to the funeral was because she couldn't accept it was Jack and Juliet's child. The coffin seemed rather large for a baby though.

Namaste- Nightjabo

I sure hope that what we saw was an "if" future...such as "this is the way things will be IF this and this; ect. does or doesn't happen". Sort of like how Dez can change the outcome of his flashes. Maybe Jack will be able to keep his life from spiraling into a delusional drug/beer fest.

I don't know about anyone else but I hate seeing them "off" the island..even if its a 'what if' future

Yes!! SLIDERS!!! Thanks BobBX!! I loved that show. I think this one is taking on that alternate reality deal. It was definately a flash forward, and Jack is un-doubtedly regretting getting off the island. Now that is an interesting take for the rest of the seasons... we get to see what life is like for everyone once/ IF the do make it off the island. The thing is... how many and who???

MazA... the book on the table next to the coffin would have been the guest book for visitors to sign in, if they wish.

Halsfire -- The podcast said Patchy was telling the truth about everything except being the last surviving member of the Dharma Initiative... not aobut the purge.

LostintheMatrix- It was called Sliders, and it was aewsome until they threw in the "parents from another dimension" aspect.

andjel-Get the expanded "Quantum Edition" of What the Bleep. If you don't already have it. It's like 5 hours long or some such nonsense, but worth it.

JoeyDiDonato-That is an interesting theory, but if they alread knew each other (Kate and Jack), Why did they act like complete strangers and seem to have no idea of what was going on?? Maybe so the other passengers wouldn't know what was going on? The problem there is that Kate didn't want to go back, so I think she would have something to say about it regardless.

everyone else-I'm pretty sure though that they are talking about the woman and her kid because even Jack's ex said "I saw you on television."

rlong i think your totally right, cause the chief said to jack your a hero- 2 times over. i thought at first he was referring to the little boy and mom, but now i think your right and he was prob some huge hero when he came back and he couldn't deal with the pressure. i hope hurley is a hero also when they get bakc, hehe, felt bad for him in the last couple of episodes.

I agree rlong!!
I hope the show doesn't go from here --meaning fill in the gap of when they use the phone to get rescued to the point of Jack being a mess.

I think the reason for Jack's beard is to make him harder to recognize. At the drug store, a customer in line refers to Jack as the "hero." Everyone assumes that it was because of the accident on the bridge, but what if is because of the notoriety he received after returning home. I think he grew the beard in an attempt to be anonymous because although he is viewed by the public as a hero, he has terrible guilt associated with the rescue and the Flight 815 survivors that died as a result of his actions. Just a thought.

Jack and Jacob with the beard?????same person??? something looked weird about Kate...I just HOPE that they don't start showing LOTs of flashforwards because I can't deal with Jack being a drugged out mess...they can't do that to him..If we start seeing lots of flash forwards like that I'll be depressed

I love how you call it "Artz the others" i thought that was very imaginative.

I love how you call it "Artz the others" i thought that was very imaginative.

I hate to appear that I'm beating a dead horse here...but what if Jack refering to his dad as being alive wasn't just the rambling of a drunk man? What if the podcast that "confirmed" Christians death was in fact an intentionly misleading statement. We've been told before in a podcast to believe everything Patchy said (when we first encountered him) except for what he said about the purge. Later we come to find that there really was a purge and we were told a lie. This has the possibility of being the same thing on a much larger scale

Interesting, there's a book on a table next to the coffin. I'm afraid this is an impossible one to figure out tough...
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Thanks Lost Girl In UK...but you are right...the anagram on the funeral home does kind of give away that it is a flash forward...the theory I had was before i knew about the anagram...and only because Jack spoke of his dad like he was alive...

i think every lost fan should watch the popular documentary about quantum physic 'what the bleep do we know?'. the theory is that we live in a world with endless possibilities and, more precisely, we live in one of the possible world surrounded by millions of others. by crashing and entering into the sphere of the island, i believe, the people in the show entered into some other possible world while they appear to be dead in the real world. also this flash forward is most surely only one of the possibles events in the future but i'm sure that it isn't the one that we'll see in the season four.

btw. i had a thought that Naomi is actually with Dharma, trying to get back on investigating their super-power-island.

Mmmmmm...... I very much like your thinking JoeyDiDonato, I never thought of that... (although I like the anagram of Flash forward in the name - does seem like they kind of gave it away for us)

Why is everyone so convinced it was a flash forward? It can still be a flashback. At the end Jack says to Kate that they have to go back. Maybe the crash of Oceanic Flight 815 WAS the way they got back. Maybe they were there once before and the crash brings them back. It is a stretch and of course there would have to be some kind of erasing of their memories but the island has shown us stranger things.

I really don't think Jack's dad is alive in that flash forward. He mentions him saying that he was more drunk while working and he signed his own prescription using his dads name. I don't see those as indications that his dad is actually alive - Jack never had closure with his dads death and is just using it in a twisted joke with the Cheif Doctor at the hospital.

imo

I agree that everything outside the island is an alternate reality. Added to the fact that Jack dad is still alive, Naomi said everyone on the flight 815 was killed... they even found the bodies.

I think its an alternate future...if they actually get off the island. Its showing what life will be like when they get off the island. BUT-- I also noticed the statements regarding Christian. So that had me thinking that, this was an alternate/parallel reality. Reality was changed with the Hatch imploding...The connection with the outside world is reaching out to the wrong reality...which will cause, what we saw as Jack's future.

Anyone remember that show with the 4 people and the remote control that had them jumping through different realities, along the same time-line?? I used to like that show :)

Ohhhhhhh my mind is spinning... LOL!

I knew from the second the show started that it was the future. Jack just looked so messed up and it just didn't seem like anyway we saw him before the crash. I also think the flash forward is showing the result of the actions they are taking on the island- making the phone call. but that it's an alt universe and they can change it if they do the right thing. So, in a different future, jack and Kate could be together. I felt so bad for Jack, what a mess he was. I think it's either Ben or Locke in the funeral home, both loners whose lives were prob a mess when they came off the island. Thought it was pretty comical though when Locke came out and once again tried to stop Jack from leaving. Jack's like- Locke dammit, not you again, hehe. Good show, lots to discuss!

I knew from the second the show started that it was the future. Jack just looked so messed up and it just didn't seem like anyway we saw him before the crash. I also think the flash forward is showing the result of the actions they are taking on the island- making the phone call. but that it's an alt universe and they can change it if they do the right thing. So, in a different future, jack and Kate could be together. I felt so bad for Jack, what a mess he was. I think it's either Ben or Locke in the funeral home, both loners whose lives were prob a mess when they came off the island. Thought it was pretty comical though when Locke came out and once again tried to stop Jack from leaving. Jack's like- Locke dammit, not you again, hehe. Good show, lots to discuss!

my boyfriend knew also it was a flashforward and he said it the whole show and of course i was like NO ITS NOT!!! lol until i was proven wrong. or maybe everything we have seen was a flashback(island scenes) and we have been watchin a huge flash back and it has been present time... or maybe last nights flashforward was a dream jack had before they arrived.(the boat) or haha it could have been like what heros did....what would happen if they didnt stop something or change something...they flashed to the future to see how things would pan out if they left the island... for awhile i wanted charlie to die but now i regret that feeling(he was just a smartass for a while and it pissed me off) also for some reason i never want them to leave the island... if ben would just tell them what the island is all about they would want to stay!

my boyfriend knew also it was a flashforward and he said it the whole show and of course i was like NO ITS NOT!!! lol until i was proven wrong. or maybe everything we have seen was a flashback(island scenes) and we have been watchin a huge flash back and it has been present time... or maybe last nights flashforward was a dream jack had before they arrived.(the boat) or haha it could have been like what heros did....what would happen if they didnt stop something or change something...they flashed to the future to see how things would pan out if they left the island... for awhile i wanted charlie to die but now i regret that feeling(he was just a smartass for a while and it pissed me off) also for some reason i never want them to leave the island... if ben would just tell them what the island is all about they would want to stay!

it has to be some one that jack needed help from or something along those lines or not just help some one that would be saying I TOLD YOU SO! when he arrived to the funeral the man asked are you a friend or family and jack responded neither... so i think he would consider all of his chrashies a friend but obviously not ben as a friend... everyone else that is not a friend to him died on the show last night! so hummm ben? i cant wait this long!!!!! ahhhh

First of all, love the site, I have been visiting for a while now. (Extremely hard to get on it though on Thursday mornings :)

Anyway, I thought about the whole funeral thing last night, and I have two ideas of who it may be. One, the man from the freighter that Jack contacted with the phone, and Jack is upset, becuase he realized that man could help him get back to the island, and now he is dead. The other is a bit more interesting, and that would be Ben. If you think about the ending when Kate says why would I want to go to the funeral, to Jack, and also, why no one showed up, it would show that it could have been him. And the name on the obit, was probably a prop mishap, much like x-rays, etc. Anyway, that is my two cents worth.

Thanks again for the great outlet for my LOST rants.

I'm sorry to say I also had it figured it out from the very first scene. Not because of the KRZR ... I don't know, I could just tell. The beard was a big part of it I think. I mean, we've seen a lot of Jack flashbacks, and he never had a beard quite like that one. It just didn't fit into any of his time periods. And the longer the episode went on without any reference to any pre-crash stuff, the more obvious it became. The phone and everything were just clues that told me at every step that I had the right idea. I don't know, it was still great ... it just wasn't a surprise and that was disappointing. But, hey, Charlie's went out like a champ and Sawyer's still the man!

Now toss in Desmond with his repeating time thing and Locke saying to Jack in this episode something about "you weren't supposed to do that". I'm wondering if it's repeating for everyone. A few reasons why I wonder this...

1. Desmond experiences this, so it seems.

2. Locke says to Jack something about Jack isn't supposed to make that phone connection. There can be many competing explanations for that, one of which is that Locke knows it changes the outcome from there, kinda like Desmond stopping Charlie from dying at other times.

3. ABC started a show called "DayBreak" (which you can view on their site) while Lost was down for a while, and that show was about time repeating until some things were fixed. Might ABC have put that show in there to "maintain the time repeat theme" but then got pulled because someone there figured the clue would be too strong? (I heard it just wasn't a popular show, so they pulled it...but still, I wonder).

As for what can they do with more seasons... What if, tonight, we saw "one possible ending" and that we'll see a few more possible endings resulting from different choices on the island "next time around" as key figures on the island begin to grasp that they're repeating their time?

To me, after the end and finding out its a flash foward, I think the comment about his dad was just that everyone knew his dad was a drunk and Jack was trying to say I'm not as bad as he was, and he worked here a long time as a drunk. But when I when I thought of it as a flashback, I was like 'oooh...who is the woman and kid in the crash...how are they related?'

This is pretty simple. Seasons 4-6 will focus on how the aftermath of that phone call affects all of the characters in the future. I would expect that we have just witnessed our official transition from flasback to forward. Also, based on the last conversation, I am willing to bet that some dramatic event led to a select few getting off the island. My gut tells me that at the time of that conversation, Locke, Hurley, Rose, Sun, Jin and Julia (amongst others) are all still on the island.

This was confusing to me, by the flash forward in accordance with the ending with the phone they make the strong suggestion that everyone got off the island.

If this is the case, what's going to happen in season 4? Is Jack going to follow his map and get everyone back on the island and repeat everything that happened? Honestly the ending really irritated me, I would have much rather preferred a cliffhanger with the people and the new ship.

Christian's ALIVE! I was always a closet believer.

I agree that Jack's use of the Motorola KRZR in this scene gave away one of two things: either the scene wasn't taking place before the Oceanic 815 crash in 2004, or the prop department was having an off day. I was relieved to find out it was the former.

This scene had me curious, though. Maybe I was imagining stuff, but it seemed too obvious that they filmed the scene in Hawaii and not Los Angeles. 1) take a look at the sky and then think about the number of times you have seen clouds like that above LA. 2) when Jack gets out of his car, I think I see lush green hills in the near background...also tough to spot in LA. 3) Finally, the car that crosses by him appears to have a blurred-out Hawaii rainbow license plate. But like I said, maybe I was imagining things. Maybe I am crazy.

Jack also told the Boss to go get his father and just see which one had been drinking the most or was more drunk... something to that effect. Was he just so screwed up he doesn't remember his Dad is dead? Why forget that part but clearly remember all about the island and how they shouldn't have left? Just seemed a little out of place. Maybe this was originally a real flashback but they couldn't make it fit in his history, so they rewrote it to be the future...

i knew it was a flash foward since the very first scene when he was using the brand new version of the Razr.

I was like hmmm that wasnt out in 2004

couple things... well i think that he's mentioning his father becaue he's all messed up, he did freak out when the pharmacist was gonna call his dad... i found another Foreshadow that the flashbacks are flashforward... when Jack is down and out in what we assume is his apartment, the scene right before kate meets him you see a map of the world behind him and what im guessing is the plotted course of where the island is located... but i couldnt see it clear enough... can anyone get a better view?

Something is wrong. If Jack was in the future, why was his father alive? (He mentioned him during his argument with his boss.) In the timeline we know, Jack's dad died before the crash.

I noticed he was using a phone that would not of been around in pre 2004, then the end explained why.

I am THRILLED!! I have been waiting for a flash forward since Season One!