I find it odd that people don't read the entire page to realize their ideas are not unique.

I find it odd that the place looks so huge from above when inside its just 2 rooms.

White rabbit. Possibly a reference to Alice In Wonderland and Watership Down, which we saw Sawyer reading once.

"It's about bunnies!"

Clickie

But in the last episode of the season we see the logo on the wall, Clickie,">Clickie and there it has no hole... And I can´t se any hole in the logo ontop of the looking glass base...

(long time lurker... first post)

NEWEEPOOH2 I like your idea.

smokey-if you look down alittle lower Sledge already showed how it cannot be a hole from the ring binder...look at the picture he includes in his post, it is DEFINITELY not a hole for a ring binder.

i think the black hole is just a hole for a ring binder myself.
Seems to fit considering theres no hole on the station itself

First time poster and not sure if my "theory" is correct but, maybe the "black hole" in the rabbit, is just that, the "black hole" between time and space. Maybe the significance is lost time?? Maybe...Doubtful but, maybe???

thenumbersarebad said: [quote]Is this the only logo that isn't labeled Dharma?
Actually, I think it is labeled DHARMA. The "enhanced" image that Sledgeweb posted makes some assumptions, but if you look closely at the actual screenshot, it look like the top row of the bottom of the octagon is thinner than the rows below it, which means it probably says DHARMA instead of having thick bars like the other lines.

So far, all the stations have said DHARMA somewhere on their logos. There has, however, been one logo that did not say DHARMA on it. It was part of The LOST Experience and was supposed to be psychology-related. There's also a logo that may or may not say DHARMA on it, which is the one seen on the shark in the episode "Adrift" (2x02). I personally think the shark's logo says "DHARMA" across the center, but even the enhanced screenshot is too blurry to be legible, hence some people think it looks like a plain horizontal line through the middle instead of the word DHARMA. You can see mock-ups of all the Dharma logos over at Lostpedia: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/DHARMA_logos

Here's a thought, what if there are two underwater stations?
One keeps people on , the other keeps people off?
Thus the hole represents a different station, the portal to the outside.

The drawings only show a line going to shore, but there are geograhpical markers to establish where on the island it is..
How long have they been cut off for?
The sub is sunk, flame destroyed!!

Sorry about that, it just came to me, and I didnt take time to read ALL the comments...

aces808 - all the three things you mentioned were posted yonks ago in #'s 15,16 and 19. Why don't you read all the comments before posting one?

Is this the only logo that isn't labeled Dharma? I also wonder if there is any connection between the "rabbit hole" and the hole in the rocks near "The Door" station.

Also, the symbol of the rabbit on the hatch named "The Looking Glass" is an obvious reference to Alice In Wonderland, where the white rabbit sees Alice through the looking glass.

I've got the answer! or at least I think I do. Has anyone thought that maybe, just maybe, the hole in the rabbits neck is a holepunch? After all, Sayid got the paper from a three-ring binder, and it would need to be holepunched. The picture of the diagarm with the headline, "The Looking Glass Hatch", is the only shot where we see the hole in the rabbits neck. Plus, do the Lost producers really make "mistakes" like forgetting to paint a huge black hole in a rabbit's neck on top of the Hatch? I think not.

He couldn't swim well. He's had plenty of time to practice since then.

In the first season when a lady went out to to swim on one of the first days on the island charlie came running to jack saying someones out there drowning. He said he would go into save her but he can't swim. If i'm not mistaken how could Charlie manage to swim down 70 meters down if he can't swim? just a thought

Something else that is bugging me. Juliet said (and I am paraphrasing) that Ben was jamming the signals using the underwater station. How do you jam a radio signal underwater? I thought that radio waves don't travel well through water. There must me more cables that lead to antennae that are above the water. If they could find those cables and find the antennae they could stop the jamming. -- just some thoughts

Why did they call it a Hatch? Isn't that what Locke called the Swan Station door, before they realized it went anywhere? It seams so odd to call it a hatch when they were all referred to as stations.
On another note - what is the purpose of putting a symbol or logo on an underwater station? Who's going to see it? Most submarines don't have windows, and the one that was being used by the others didn't appear to be any different.

I've said along to our discussion group at work, when Syaid frist tripped on the wire then followed it to Danilles. He should of went back and tugged at the water side. I knew there would be a hatch there. Looking Glass is also the command plane for nuclear winter. Communictions and fail safe connections ensure equal distruction. The president flys in Air Force One. You don't need the leader to ensure missle launch. Just the codes.

I think Desmond told Charlie the truth and he may have volunteered himself to try to save Charlie once again. But Charlie knew that if Desmond's prophecy was true, HE had to push the button and die for Claire and her baby. Otherwise, the ending might have changed. Every mystery of this show is worth investigating, even if it turns out minuscule.

watching the reviews show last night, they showed the scene in which Juliette speaks of the Looking Glass. I did not hear her say "flooded" She did say the station was under water. After the TTLG ep I wondered about this and was not convinced she said flooded. After hearing the review show I feel even more so.
Now if I could only figure out if it matters. This is like trying to catch flies with chopsticks.

Because it's quite possible the answer to every single mystery of LOST lies within that black hole in the bunnies neck! :)

As far as Des, I would say there is a good chance that what he told Charlie was all he saw - he doesn't see every detail in the future, but just flashes of different points. So, Charlie pushing the button and drowning may still occur, and perhaps Des just didn't see the whole being captured part. On the other hand, maybe he just didn't want Charlie to know he was going to be captured and tortured Bauer-style before later pushing the button and drowning. Who knows? That's why we have to figure out that darned hole in the bunny.

I'm just curious about something here regarding the "rabbit hole"...Why is this so important?? I have read through all 73 (as of this message) and a bunch of them are about this black circle. I personally feel that it doesn't matter, but if someone can explain to me why it might be, I'll understand. I just get really frustrated when we all talk about unimportant things thinking it will help us figure out the show. This seems to fall into that category, but I might be wrong, so please, if any one can give me a good reason, that would be great.

Aside from that, is it possible that Desmond wanted Charlie to go down there to prevent his death during some other event involving the others?? Maybe, just maybe Desmond knew about the other people in there and thought that Charlie would be safe there?? When you look at the scene with Jack, Juliette, Sayid, Desmond and Charlie, Juliette says that it is flooded, but Desmond doesn't speak up to tell her that it isn't.

Nevermind about the "clickie"- it does it by magic! Smokey did it!

Had an "a-hah!" moment and thought to myself- "Hey! I wonder if this was mentioned on the blast door map!" at Clickie but I did not see anything. And how do I "clickie"? Please be kind if I missed it somewhere else. I only mean well.

its the "rabbit hole"... in graphic form

It's not a hole punch for a binder: Clickie

hello every body.i'm from china.and i am 14 years old.i love lost very much. i want to improve my english here.If
there is any grammar mistakes,please to understand me.Thanks a lot.
There is a black circle in the white
rabbit on the first picture.But on the next pictrue,there isn't any circles in the white rabbit.

I think Desmond has come too far in learning about himself to begin lying to Charlie. He sees "flashes" not the whole sequence of events laid out like in a video. He told Charlie what he saw and let Charlie make his own decision.

I'm just curious as to what The Looking Glass is used for. The sub already docks at the one part of the island, so why is there an underwater station for the sub? And why did Juliet say it was flooded?

Has anyone tried to figure out what the link bewteen the names of the hatches might point to?? I can understand that a secret project would use code names for total anonymity, but these names seem off. Like the Looking Glass. I understand what everyone is saying about its significance, but aside from "A different world" kind of thing, how does it tie to say, the Swan Station?? Are there any references to anything that has A Swan, An Arrow, A Pearl, Flame/fire, Staff, and mirror?? I can't think of a damn thing.

The hole in the rabbit's neck is a hole puch for a binder, Look at the photots above, why doesn't the logo on the station itself have a hole in the rabbits neck?

How about the original was in a two hole punch (the other towards the bottom can't be seen) and this is a copy of the original, thus no hole, just a black dot. Controversy over.

I do not think it is a "Hole Punch" in the rabbits neck. Or it would be a different shade of black. I think it is either saying this is just a Rabbit Hole they (the writers) want you to follow or this is the way off the island. Maybe through the "Hatch"...

jduche, I thought that too - that Desmond could've been manipulating Charlie to get him to do it. The fact that he told the outcome of Claire & Aaron being rescued before saying Charlie had to sacrifice his life for it to happen was a red flag to me. Plus, all the other times, we've been able to see Des's flashes and this time we only got the verbal report.

tynkris, here's what I'm thinking: we really didn't get a look at desmond's "flash". What if desmond knew he'd have to get Charlie to go down there and become captive and that he'd have to go after him? What if the true outcome is not claire and baby getting into a chopper (and why only claire and baby? because he knew he needed a story that would get charlie down there), but perhaps a message out to penny and the ship from there? desmond could be manipulating for his own benefit.

OMG! What if WE'RE being manipulated?? Har! of course we are!

that cable connected to the lookiing glass cannot be supplying all of the power (if any) to the looking glass. I'm no electrician but that cable does not look thick enough to do that. My guess is it is nothing more than an anchor.

I'm willing to bet that Desmond didn't reveal the whole flash he had, he made no mention of the ghrls in the hatch. He said that after he hits the switch he drowns, but didn't specify if he drowned swimming back up or if the hatch fills with water etc. He probably even knew that Charlie was going to knock him out with the oar.

krzywon: It must have came from the book Sayid took from the Flame station, the station where Mikhail was.

Am I the only one asking this, but - Where did the schematic of the "Hatch" come from in the first place?

id just like to go back to what people were saying about the hole in the blueprint, if you look closely at the zoomed in section, the hole is the same shade of black as the rest of the logo. also the blueprint is sat on top of a white piece of paper so if it was a holepunch then it would look white.
perhaps there is something ther, lost often has a theme of parallels, through the looking glass/down the rabbit hole could just be the latest...thats what i think anyway

No, he wasn't going to be smashed against the cliff when saving Claire, that was a different death. Desmond saved Charlie's life 4 times. The lightning, drowning while saving Claire, trying to get the bird off of the cliff for Claire when he fell in and was smashed against the rocks, and the arrow in the neck. And on that subject, I think what Desmond might come to realize is that even though he was able to save Charlie that time, everythign still happened the way it was supposed to, so probably in the next episode he'll realize that he can keep saving Charlie and the other events in the flash will still come true.

Charlie...the herion addict...in search of the white rabbit..ha

Exactly...people were expecting him to die, but it's not til he hits the switch. Thats gonna be the moment of truth. And back to him and Desmond when he was supposed to save Claire and would have drown...It wasn't that he was going to drown, it was the viscious waves that were going to smash him against the cliff and kill him. The greatest swimmer in the world would have problems in that situation so I don't feel cheated w/Charlie's swim capabilities. Besides, it was a greatest hit for him :)

Good thinking tynkris.

Just wanted to post something that has been bothering me reading the responses to this thread. A few people said they were upset that Charlie swam down and then didn't die. Am I missing something or wasn't he supposed to swim down and not die. If he was dead, it sure would make it difficult to find the flashing yellow light and flip the switch like Des told him he was going to do.

I just think the cable is used for the submarine to 'latch' onto to guide it down to the looking glass.
Not thick enough to be power cables, the station would need something alot thicker than that to power it. Also the station is built on the sea bed so dosent need an anchor.

Alice through the looking glass http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through_the_Looking-Glass%2C_and_What_Alice_Found_There was the follow up to Alice in Wonderland. Alice followed a white rabbit down a rabbit hole into an alternate reality.
There have been several links to white rabbits now, Looking glass logo, bens pet rabbit, Alex was skinning one, Bens first flashback episode where he saw his dead dad was called 'white rabbit'.
Other references to white rabbits:
The White Rabbit which appears in Lewis Carroll's Alice's Adventures in Wonderland.
The codename of F. F. E. Yeo-Thomas, one of the main undercover British agents in Occupied France during World War II.
The song entitled "White Rabbit" which is one of the most popular songs by the American psychedelic rock group Jefferson Airplane.
The white rabbit personification of the Playboy conglomerate.
In addition to which it may refer to:

The Matrix. Neo is told to follow the "White Rabbit" by a message on his computer written by Trinity. When he answers a knock at his door and is asked if he wants to go with a group of people to a club he agrees because he sees a white rabbit tattooed on the shoulder of DuJour played by Ada Nicodemou.
Several breeds of domestic rabbit which are partially or completely white.
Monty Python and the Holy Grail, in which there is a bloodthirsty White Rabbit which bites the head clean off its human victims.
Madeleine L'Engle's novel A Wrinkle in Time which contains a reference to the White Rabbit from Alice in Wonderland: Meg refers to a white-faced man in a dark suit as the white rabbit after he says, "Oh, dear, I shall be late".
Dennis Nedry who uses the hidden command white.rabbit.obj to disable security in the novel and film Jurassic Park.
White Rabbit: a Spider-Man villain.
White Rabbit Creamy Candy, a famous Chinese confectionery.
The title of an episode of the television show Lost. See "White Rabbit (Lost)".
An episode during season five of the television show Law & Order.
Or the name White Rabbits which was given to a group of women sculptors who worked with Lorado Taft at the World Columbian Exposition.
A greeting - White Rabbits - which is made to someone on the first day of the month on first meeting them on that day. A variation of Rabbit rabbit.

I particularly like the Jurassic Park link, white.rabbit.obj to disable the security system. Anyone else thinking smokie?

actually what a name common i love lost but that name is sow wrong

My bet is the cable is at most a Dharmatel connection. At worst, just an "anchor" to the island - as indicated on the schematic. I think they probably have different systems for energy and oxygen, so cutting the cable, in my guess, wouldn't do much but interrupt their chess game with Mikhail.

Any thoughts on what would happen if they would sever the cable that connects the Looking Glass to the Island? Could that possibly enable them to get a signal off?

Sorry I copied dihedral's post into my typing window by accident. I am such a rookie.

Hi every body. This is my first post, and I first of all want to say how much I love this site. There are so many things that I would have missed from the show without this site. Having said that, I wanted to point out some things that a couple of people have had issue with. I am a rescue scuba diver so am very familiar with diving to extreme depths. Charlies dive to 70 meters, while extremely deep would most definitely be possible without worrying about Nitrogen Narcosis or Embolism because he is not continuing to breathe. The air in his lungs is compressed as he goes down and expands the same amount when he comes up. No extra nitrogen builds up in his blood for narcosis, and the compression and expansion balances out the pressures in his lungs. I noticed when he got to the bottom of the station he pinched his nose to help equalize the pressure in his sinuses, I assume he did this all the way down because his ears were not bleeding when he got there. Having said that, now that he is down there and breathing again, his is gonna have a heck of a time getting back up with out bursting a lung. And just for the record 70 meters is twice the recommended depth for a recreational scuba diver.

I still have some reservations about Charlie diving down there and surviving. Someone got enough out of the hatch drawings to claim that it's 70 meters down. Even assuming about 60 meters (it's elevated above the sea floor), that's still over 5 atmospheres of pressure. Unless you spend a lot of time training for that, and know how to release air from your lungs, odds are that at this depth nitrogen narcosis will make it near impossible to keep control. And if he held his breath even a little, pop! Embolism.

I think that the Looking Glass name really means something along those lines, it is the connection to the other side, but I don't think they're alternate worlds. I think the station was made to jam signals, magneticallyattract escaping boats back to the island, and maybe even create a hologram to hide the island and keep the survivors there.

As far as Charlie being a great swimmer, he was just lying about that. We probably have to accept the underwater pressure mistakes as poorly informed writing, but with the weight belt he certainly could have swam down quickly enough.

Maybe it has something to do with the Matrix??? FOLLOW THE WHITE RABBIT....NEO, oops I mean Charlie.. :)

Take the red pill (follow the power wire)... and I'll show you how deep(in the ocean) the rabbit-hole goes.....

Has to say it! Love the movie!!

Nice idea, but I doubt that ABC would be doing a plug for a Disney Character, especially since it was not written by Disney in the first place(written by Lewis Carroll). I like what BrianIsLost added that it could be a parallel world that the losties are in. The Looking Glass could be the way to the other side, which is why Ben did not want anyone else to go there (he didn't tell Juliet where it even was so she wouldnt go home????) Who knows, but I like the comparison.

A couple of questons to consider. First, the brunette looks a lotlike Cindy the stewardess. Ealier this season we saw her with the children at the Hydra. Are the children still on the alcatraz island or are they kept in the looking glass? Where is the sheriff chick from earleir this season that wanted to have Juliet killed? She is still missing as well. Are some of the others still on the second island or are they in the looking glass? Plus, the looking glass seemed awfully large and could hold quite a few people. But, how did they get there if Locke blew up the submarine? I agree with the anchor theory posted by Jduche. An anchor wouldnt be neccesary to hold a station of this size. The cables would have to be power/air/data cables. If the others were jamming transmissions, then why is it when boone was in the plane before it fell to his death, he was able to get a high level frequency signal across the island to another station. Shouldn't the jamming device killed that transmission. Just some thoughts...

In an earlier flashback, Desmond saw Charlie drown trying to save Claire. But now we find out that Charlie is some kind of swimming champion. Sounds fishy to me. The Alice in Wonderland thing could just ba a plug for Disney (ABC's parent company). Remember, that story turned out to be a dream...

And I know it was just a plot device and I tend to think too hard about this stuff, but why would a "hatch" that big require a 3 inch cable to "anchor" it to the shore? It didn't seem to be delivering air or anything- maybe power. Perhaps someone will have to find the other end. Sayid followed it into the jungle when he ran into Roussou (sp) but never came to "the end". I'm rambling...ignore me.

BrianisLOST, love that theory!

what did sledge s[ay].. about the logo issue? i tried to find it, but too much to wade through/dive-down-with-a-weight-belt to get to. ha ha.

Is there a symbolic or thematic relation between the Looking Glass and the Looking Glass in Alice in Wonderland? The Looking Glass in Alice allowed her to travel between two worlds. Could the Looking Glass station be what facilitates the travel between the Island and the real world? That’d explain why Desmond was so keen on getting down there…hence the white rabbit logo

Just seems strange to me that Charlie was going to die saving Claire in the Ocean, but now he can swim down fairly deep without any problem. I understand there is a difference, but I can't help but feel like all these visions Desmond has had of Charlie dying mean that Charlie is important. If he had not prevented his death the first time things could be very different now and if he sees Claire and the baby being rescued, then it must have been Desmond's destiny to stop Charlie from dying in the previous visions. What if he really should have prevented it this time too...? (If, he is still in line to die, and that remains to be seen.)

The second woman in the station looks a bit like the brunette stewardess - the one that started out with the Tailies, then was snatched and with the kids at the Others' camp. Did anyone get a good look?

sledge send it best about the logo issue. however, don't think the hole is a hole-punch, because it's placement is too far in and i don't see other holes on the page. as for dihedral, good point! but i'm going to say what i would assume the writers would say to that "it's um... the island or something... it makes you breathe better and stuff." just don't think about it so hard. it's either that, or there are indeed two seperate "looking glass" stations... now I'M thinking about it too hard.

long time reader, first time poster - has there been talk about how the "trigrams" surrounding each stations logos are similiar to the trigrams appearing on the Korean flag (also used in the I Ching) - see wiki entry on korean flag Clickie
Heyyyyyy - Eureka!(???) - looks like the Lost writers stole the trigrams surrounding the logo (on the Looking Glass' logo at least) directly from here, wiki's entry on bagua (the chinese name for trigrams): Clickie well... EXCEPT.. that they reversed the order of the middle right and middle left ones. Hmm. also the top left and bottom left are exactly reversed.
Still.. does the newbie win a prize for a discovery? (assuming it's not been discovered prior to now)

I still have some reservations about Charlie diving down there and surviving. Someone got enough out of the hatch drawings to claim that it's 70 meters down. Even assuming about 60 meters (it's elevated above the sea floor), that's still over 5 atmospheres of pressure. Unless you spend a lot of time training for that, and know how to release air from your lungs, odds are that at this depth nitrogen narcosis will make it near impossible to keep control. And if he held his breath even a little, pop! Embolism.

I think *Maz* is onto something with the idea of "The Looking Glass name....Alice in Wonderland?"

The first chapter in "Alice in Wonderland : Through the Looking Glass" is called 'Down the Rabbit Hole' which could parallel the insignia on the 'hatch' itself.

It could possibly be a hole in the paper, and that is the most logical conclusion, but certainly doesn't look like it. I don't think it's a big deal either way though. Let's not make any alternate universe reality theories here based on two versions of the logo.

the logo on the top of the "hatch" (i prefer station in this case personally) is a different version altogether. the outside of the circle is white and the "Dharma symbols" around the logo is reversed out in black. where as the blueprints show the normal black throughout method. how this is relavent... i'm not really sure yet. chances are we are just read into stuff to deep.

Through the Looking Glass is the actual title of Alice in Wonderland.

Sayid got the blueprints from the Flame station in 3x11 that Locke blew up. He also had an electrical map of the Other's Barracks in episode 3X12

Sayid got the blueprints from the station that Locke blew up.

Is there a chance that the ladies in the Looking Glass are the same girls we see in bed with Charlie in the flashback with his brother?

I totally agree with Ninja why did they refer to it as a 'Hatch' kinda dumb if u ask me

Totally not Sarah. Sarah is Julie Bowen. This actress in the Looking Glass, I don't know her name but I do know she was on Days of our Lives back in the day and she is not Julie Bowen.

Maybe I missed something, but where did Sayid come up with these blueprints??

I thought that all in all, they could have done this episode without boring me to tears with a Charlie flashback. The info presented was pretty cool, but they should have done it with a more interesting character.

BadRobot64-Check here,

Clickie

Sarah Shepard's "profile"

ya know the whole episode was very emotional, leading up to Charlie's death and I really didn't want him to die but when he didn't die I felt the episode wasted alot of time builiding that fear up, just to throw it in our faces and now present a whole new mystery. And did anyone see in the coming attraction Desmond diving down there? Maybe he got a vision that Charlie was still alive? I hope the get somewhere with this before the season ends.

according to the blue prints, the moon pool is 70 meters down. thats a hell of a swim Charlie.

The Looking Glass name....Alice in Wonderland?

sorry I meant hole...lol

Good point misterwhitechristmas. You're right no wole in the logo on the station.

I think the black circle on the bunny's shoulder in the logo on the schematic is just a hole in the piece of paper for a three-ring binder; obviously there is no such hole in the logo on the station.

I just realized taking a closer look at those blueprints, why is it called a hatch? There technically isn't a hatch on it, thats just what they called the Swan station when they didn't know what it was.

BadRobot64, pull your head out…it’s not her – get over it.

In the other post they already looked up the actress and it's not the same person. I'm really looking forward to finding out who these people are though.

Bad Robot, they're two different people. Case closed. Not her.

ok .. we'll see...

100% not Sarah. Only thing in common is they are both woman.

ok.. we'll see...

That is absolutely not her.

you seriously cant be telling me the truth.. that is her...

how can u figure? go over to the "girls of the looking glass message board the picture is pretty clear.. you can see its her

Not the same girl. Positive of that.

I'm pretty sure you're not correct, BadRobot64.

did anyone else notice that the blonde chick tht is holding the gun on charlie is Sarah.. Jack's ex??

I just hope Locke doesnt blow this one up too.

Really cool captures here of the rabbit. I caught that right away and wanted to confirm it. Thanks again.