if you look closelt at jacob's head it looks preety bald and the wig looks VERY fake the rest of the face looks like a twin of john locke.

@sparrow lol yeah, i thought exactly the same and hoped stephen hawking would appear to explain it. ;) by the way, i think i saw something like smoky too but these might have been shadows, either...

Since one of the frames shows what appears to be smoke in the chair, I think that the man shown soon after is a manefestaion of "smoky". The guy must have something to do with Locke just like when Eko encounters the smoke monster the first time and scenes from his life flash inside the smoke.

later on in this scene, there is a quick flash of an eye. its just there for a second.. but did anyone else notice that it looks a whole lot like Jack's eye? Just a thought.. not sure why he would be there.. but its definitely his eye.

sorry. i hid the submit button! :\ anyway. when i saw this episode, i thought about the episode in simpsons where ray romano gueststars and stephen hawking tells them why bart could not see him. something about a blakc hole stealing the light and such. lol

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I agree it is KK. It was his voice I heard first and I knew it was KK. Then the screen shot I saw looked just like him.

To me it looks totally like KK. see:

Clickie

totaly the same person. Also, someone mention below about the movie named Millunum the KK acted on back at 1989. Here's what imdb has to say abou that movie:
An investigator, seeking the cause of an airline disaster, discovers the involvement of an organisation of time travellers from a future Earth, irreparably polluted, who seek to rejuvenate the human race from those about to die in the past.
Nice...

the nose looks funny..maybe Jacob is in charge and special..and Ben conned him into going into the shack and has kept him there..

That looks just like the "opposite image" visible in the painting of the dog, and also looks like Locke!!!

I agree it looks like Jesus, but I thinks its possible he's not entirely human?! Anyone?

sorry if this has been mentioned before...just a couple quick thoughts:

1. jacob looks a bit like jesus with the lighting, hair, clothing etc.
2. jacob's profile kind of reminded me of john locke's profile.

Wow, I never really thought of that. Do we have any idea what happened to Charlie's, Desmond's, or Sayid's fathers?

hey off the subject, I think Jacob is looking for "the one" the one who killed his father..its not Ben, not Locke and I'm thinking although it could be argued Jack killed his father, Kate is the only one other than Ben that truly killed her father..maybe she is the one! Anyone??

What you posted hardly looked like a theory, there had to be some truth to that, maybe something that was leaked. Anyways, I don't want to start a big arguement, so let's just leave it at that.

NinjaRisu: If there is something in there that you read and didn't like, that is not my fault. Just because I posted it doesn't mean you had to read it. It was my choice to post it and your choice to read it. I still don't see how this spoils any future shows, we all have theories true or not, I don't see you bashing anyone else for posting things they find or say.

BrianiaLOST: The beginning did have a lot to due with Jacob, but you could have just copy and pasted that part and left out the rest, like what the Hanso Foundation was doing on the island, why the planes crashed there, and the stuff about Radzinsky. I hadn't read that post before and I'm sure plenty of other people hadn't either, and reading it just ruined one of my favorite parts of the storyline and probably one or two episodes still to come.

ConceivedONTheIsland-Look, I'm not trying to go back and forth with you, and this will be my last post on the subject, but I didn't make a big thing out of this, you did when you accused BrianisLOST of plagurism. I was just simply trying to suggest that you maybe not worry about things like that. So now that we both understand why you're the one that has the problem, I'm going to move on.

That is definitely Locke, Right after you see you see this image the camera panned to a confused looking Locke's face noticing someone in the chair. If Jacob is smokey than we already know that smokey can take on different forms,..... Jacob is whatever you want him to be.

And it is not something I came up with, it has been passed around numerous times, I thought it was very interesting and wanted to share it with whomever hasn't seen it, sorry if it bothered anybody.

To NinjaRisu says: How does that ruin the whole show?????? It only talks about what happened up until now? And it has plenty to tell about Jacob which is what this is about.

To BrianisLOST:
Was it absolutely necessary for you to post that? I could see maybe posting what was relative to the discussion, but you didn't have to go and ruin the whole show.

Can someone please post a clear photo of the close-up of Jacob's eye? They show it soon after they show Jacob in the chair.

The eye has a very distinctive "connector" between eyelid and nose that we could compare with other photos. (Just like the profile of Jacob's nose is unique.)

Sure Bob, I'll fill you in. Get over my original comment. It wasn't mean, just simply stating a fact. Sounds like your the one that is freaking out. I made a comment and you are making a big deal about it.

ConceivedONTheIsland-I'm having a little trouble remembering, did I kick your dog or something?? Just curious because I was just making a simple comment, and you are freaking out and being really defensive about it. I don't know exactly what it is that I'm suppossed to be getting over, so if you could fill me in, that would be great.

BadRobot-In my opinion, it looks too close to Locke to be anyone else, if you can come up with a Screenshot, that would be cool.

I don't remember what that guy looked like. Do you have an image BadRobot?

Im looking at the picture now, and he kinda looks like that guy that was the "Leader" of the community that Locke grew marijuanna in... ANYONE agree??

Who's freaking out? I simply am saying it is not his idea. I assume that is why he put "" around the whole thing. Get over it Bob.

ConceivedONTheIsland-Calm down man. I actually found the theory somewhere else to, as did a bunch of other people I'm assuming, and you don't see anyone freaking out.

It's called plagurism! That's not brianisLost idea. I have seen that post word for word on several different forums now. It supposedly originated on a website that has since been takin down. That leads me to believe that there is some validity to it. Though brianisLost had nothing to do with it.

I think Ben would suffer the consequences if he really killed Locke..and he knows that. Off the subject and maybe its been addressed already, but did anyone SEE an arm, a hairy arm smack the window in the shed when Jacob was having his hissy fit?? I know we see Jacob and his brown eye..as in Lockes and Bens are blue, but I saw an arm hit the window, anyone???

Thanks Madam P. I agree with you that in essence Locke has killed his Father, and fulfills the Prophecy in this way. I'm also wondering why Ben didn't kill Locke outright, even after saying "you better hope Jacob saves you", or thereabouts. If Ben is really concerned about holding on to his leadership, and he knows people come back from near death, and that Jacob will likely save Locke, then why doesn't Ben make sure Locke dies? This indicated to me that he isn't trying to kill Locke, only wound him (or he's one of those bad villains from a 1960's Batman episode, who leaves the hero alone to die!). Is Ben testing Locke (and/or Jacob?) yet again - - perhaps another aspect of the Prophecy is that The One (Locke) will come back from near death, or will be saved by Jacob. Then Ben is not necessarily evil, just testing the Prophecy to see who he is dealing with here.

well if it is Locke in a wig, that's quite the paradox...hey sledge, is the weird ring of powder/ash/salt around the shack worth posting for investigations as well? I want to know what that's all about and theories on it...

Oh, and on a different subject, we need a picture of Jacobs eye. As others have pointed out, that is mos' def' Jacobs eye looking at locke right after we see his profile.

Dd you just make that up for kicks, or do you really have some proof behind it? It sounds very plausable, but it sort of seems too plausable ya know? It would be a first for anyone to just figure out lost... Overall, good theory.

WOW...BrianisLOST....

That was deep.. and very interesting. How did you come up with that??

BrianisLOST-WOW!! that is somereally good stuff there. The only time you lose me is at the end when you talk about the people on the plane. Are you saying that they were brought there by fate/destiny, or that they were put there by Bakunin??

thenumbersarebad-I forgot about Tim Curry's character. He was awesome. Wasn't he like a crazy killer that they left on that planet, and he turned into a cannibal or something?? That actually makes it worth picking up the box set alone.

"The island is largely black rock - a naturally occurring magnetic mineral. It has the uncanny property of storing electromagnetic currents - like a big magnetic tape.

Magnus Hanso - grandfather of Alvar Hanso and venture capitalist - captained his ship The Black Rock to the island in the nineteenth century. He intended to use slaves and dynamite to mine the fabled black rock and sell it. However, he was caught in a storm - as many have been near the island - and was shipwrecked.

He survived, but the slaves were lost. Whilst making a boat to leave the island, Magnus thought he could hear the screams of his cargo as the ship sank. He thought the melancholy would pass, but it did not; in fact, it was as though he could literally hear their thoughts in the last moments of their lives - even in their foreign tongue.

The whispers, the voices, the memories were stronger in those areas that were predominantly black rock. They were coming from the black rock itself. As lava cools it records the earth's pattern of magnetic currents at the time; in a similar way, the black rock was storing all electromagnetic activity - light, sound, thought, memory.

Of greater significance to Magnus was that the black rock also held the pattern of the future. Magnus was able to faintly sense how things would be.

Magnus made a boat, returned home, kept his mouth shut about what he'd discovered, and bought the island. He came back many times and was able to navigate the safest approach. On the island, he would meditate on what the future held - what the rock was telling him - and then commit this to paper. He would then return to centres of commerce and use these predictions to speculate and invest in forthcoming wars, selling munitions. He amassed a great fortune. The secret of the island and the wealth was passed down through the Hanso family to Alvar Hanso in the 20th century.

. . .

A mathematician named Valenzetti calculated a mathematical formula for the end of the world, the 'core numbers' of which are 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42. These numbers occur everywhere, he said, and predict earth's destruction. This finding was presented to the United Nations; they did not believe or care and so discarded it.

Alvar learnt of this formula and knew that it was correct as it correlated with what the island had revealed to him. He enlisted the help of Valenzetti and many others to form the DHARMA Initiative, the purpose of which was to change these numbers - and so avert the predicted destruction of earth.

DHARMA was based on the island. Although the organisation was highly secretive, Alvar felt he had to share the island for the greater good of mankind. The greatest scientists he could find were brought to the island - as were gifted children who had great mental ability bordering on psychic.

Various stations were set up on the island to perform these experiments: the objective of which was to change Fate itself. One experiment was the Swan; initially, it was just a Skinner Box - a psychological experiment to test two subjects' willingness to repeatedly press a button because they were told it was important. The intention here was to see if their faith in their 'duty' was sufficient to budge Fate a millimetre. It didn't work.

Another station - the Pearl - was set up. This experiment was based on another pair of subjects who were told to observe the actions of the occupants of the Swan. The objective here, based on Quantum Theory, was to see if - by observation alone - the outcome of the Swan could be affected. It was not and neither was Fate.

. . .

It was decided to try and dam the flow of Destiny from the island to the outside world - to stop the current.

Jacob was selected as the most gifted child. He was able to move small objects with his mind, which is shown in the Orientation film.
It was hoped that if the rock could store human memory electromagnetically then, perhaps, the reverse could happen and a human mind could absorb this electromagnetic memory from the rock. The intention was always to change Destiny.

Jacob was placed at the epicentre of the island's power in an underground chamber. Powered up, wired up, and observed by a team of scientists including Dr Marvin Candle, Jacob attempted to absorb Destiny from the black rock. Unfortunately, he failed; there was an explosion, referred to later as the "incident".

At that moment, Jacob lost all corporeal form and was merged with the black rock itself. But he survived. His consciousness was embedded in broken fragments of the rock. His consciousness was able to move objects - as he had in human form... but now it meant he could lift himself - in the form of rock fragments and move freely. The naturally-ocurring electromagnetic field around the area of the Swan assisted in his mobility and sustained his life.

Jacob was able to move as a black cloud of dust and re-form himself into different shapes. He soon learnt that he could also use electromagnetism to conjure up images and sound. And later still, that he could 'read minds' as we saw he did with Eko.

DHARMA had failed in changing Destiny for the better and had actually made things worse by creating a massive anomaly. Alvar was despondent. He and his wife returned to the island to die. They laid themselves down in two alcoves and allowed Jacob to peacefully end them. In Alvar's pocket was a pouch containing two stones - one black and one white - one for him and one for his wife. They thought that if they could, after death, find these two stones and reside in them as separate consciousnesses then they would allow Jacob to absorb them into his form. As long as the black rock existed, they would be immortal. It worked; and Jacob became a 'three-headed' entity, referred to as 'Cerberus' on the blast door map created by Radzinsky. (Cerberus was the three-headed guard dog of Greek mythology).

. . .

The 'incident' (as described by Dr Marvin Candle - who lost an arm - in the Orientation film) now necessitated the periodic release of the electromagnetism. The periodic build-up of power sustained Jacob/Cerberus and allowed for continued analysis of Destiny by the remaining scientists; the periodic release prevented another disaster. The whole area of the 'incident' was concreted. And now the Swan had a genuine use: to release electromagnetism every 108 minutes to an orbiting satellite with a 5 minute pass-over. For this task they conscripted the help of two people they knew to be spies: Radzinsky and Inman for USSR and USA respectively.

They realised they could not - or should not - try to change Destiny. However, the long-term effect of the incident was to create an anomaly in Destiny that might itself be the cause of the predicted cataclysm on earth. This needed to be corrected now. The anomaly had pulled in a ship of scientists - including a pregnant Rousseau - and shipwrecked it. [What was left of] DHARMA realised that this ship was never 'meant' to be shipwrecked on the island and that their meddling with Destiny would create anomalies of wider and potentially more dangerous significance.

The scientists sought to correct their mistake before it snowballed. It was a difficult task to perform without screwing up Destiny further but they had the resources.

. . .

Bea Kulgh, a DHARMA initiate, sensed a shift from an idealistic community in 'Otherville' towards a totalitarian cult headed by a powerful triumvirate leader. She reached out for others who felt the same, but it was impossible - any disobedience meant being brainwashed in the re-programming room (where we saw Carl). During her tour of duty in the Pearl, which was still active at the time, she was able to secretly communicate with Radzinsky and Inman via the computer. She fed them information from which - with their own reconnaissance - they were able to produce a map of the island and the hatches, which John Locke saw on the blast door in Lockdown. They removed part of the Orientation film that forbade communication via the computer so that, if they were found out and replaced, their replacements would not be hindered by that rule. And they formulated a plan to escape.

Radzinsky had been seeing images of his past - as all of the Losties have. He saw people he had tortured whilst working for the KGB. These visions were actually produced by Jacob/Cerberus. The point of the visions was as intense, life-changing therapy. It is believed that a person can overcome their own past, nature and fears to transcend into something pure and fit for DHARMA. Radzinsky had been seeing visions of a person he had tortured; he had cut out the prisoner's eye.

The culmination of the 'therapy' is a Test. We saw Eko fail his Test by refusing to repent for his past - this ended badly for him when he chased after Jacob/Cerberus. We also saw Hurley fail his test when he refused to take a leap of faith off a cliff - as urged by his imaginary-turned-real friend Dave.

Radzinsky's Test was to cut out his own eye - "an eye for an eye". He knew none of this was real, but they had a plan to escape for which he would do anything. Kneeling before his victim, as Eko would do, Radzinsky used Inman's US Army knife to cut out his own eye, thereby passing the Test.

. . .

When Radzinsky awoke, he was greeted by Benjamin Linus and the other Others. He was given a tour of 'Otherville', told the rough outline of DHARMA and what it meant. He was given a glass eye and was put to work. He appeared to be receptive to DHARMA's aims but, in reality, all he wanted was to escape. He proceeded with the plan.

At the right time, he blew up the Arrow hatch, killing several people. He radioed Inman, in the Swan, immediately and ran across the island towards him. It did not take long before Jacob/Cerberus tracked him down, but he timed it right so that his dash would coincide with the rain showers to give him the biggest headstart possible.

Radzinsky made it to the Swan where Inman had prepared the trap. It was dark by now, and a bright light shone from the hatch; Jacob/Cerberus followed it down. Inman could see Jacob/Cerberus through his array of mirrors from the safe vantage point of the Swan lounge area. He saw Jacob/Cerberus approach; Jacob/Cerberus moved toward the open door. Radzinsky fused the lockdown door bringing it crashing down and turned the water on. The area outside the door - where Jacob/Cerberus was - filled with water. An exposed fusebox near the ladder caused a massive electrical current to pass through Jacob/Cerberus. Unfortunately, a small part of Jacob/Cerberus got under the door before being completely disabled. This part reformed as someone from Inman's past - a daughter perhaps, or a fallen comrade - whoever it was, Inman had not yet had the visions and was frozen with emotion. He could not act to destroy this loved one in front of him and would not heed Radzinksy's frantic pleading that it was not real and that they needed to escape now while they could. Radzinsky left him behind.

[The fusebox and water pipe are seen by Jack the very first time he goes down the hatch ladder - season 2, episode 1.]

Radzinsky continued with the plan and left the Swan with the film cutting. He made his way to the Flame where he knew he would be able to communicate with the outside world and be rescued. When he got there, he was surprised to find it deserted and, what was more bizarre, prepared for him: there was a plentiful supply of Vodka, there was a computer that played chess, there was a cat, there was even a picture of Nadia Comaneci on the wall - the Olympic gymnast who shared his birthday. He sat in front of a bank of monitors and began trying to reach the outside world - it had been such a long time. Flicking through the channels, it became apparent that the Berlin Wall had fallen and so had the Soviet Union with it. Communication was pointless. He spent the next few days in a drunken stupor. At last, Benjamin and the Others came to him.

They agreed on a truce; he had killed some of them but he could not be held completely responsible as he had not passed the Test in truth and had not been truly ready to join DHARMA. They allowed him to live so long as he never came to their camp, never fraternised with any of them, and worked at the Flame as their communications man. He would be completely autonomous, with his own livestock. He asked about Inman; they told him that Inman had been 'persuaded' that Radzinsky had killed himself - they had placed a faceless corpse in the Swan for him to discover when he woke up, which he would assume to be Radzinsky's and so bury him without questioning.

At this point, the cat changed shape becoming a swirling mass of black dust - it was Jacob/Cerberus albeit temporarily smaller. Jacob/Cerberus renamed Radzinsky as Bakunin - after the famous Russian anarchist - as he had rejected his leadership. He told him that his trap in the Swan had interfered with the release of electromagnetism and had created another anomaly: a light aircraft from Nigeria was brought down. The crashing of a small plane and the loss of a few lives in itself might not be such an anomaly - as Destiny can 'course-correct' to a certain extent - what was more problematic was that the plane was carrying drugs. The consequence of the plane crashing - when it had never been destined to crash - was that there would be a massive slump in supply of the drug, affecting many more lives (including Charlie's) - and the knock-on effect was incalculable.

Bakunin was tasked with tracking down the effects of the anomaly as it spread through the world and to profile each person whose life would be significantly affected by it. These people were connected one way or another to this crash or to each other and the anomaly would ripple outwards creating greater and greater waves. Bakunin tracked them down using the Flame. These people were - one way or another - put on the same plane at the same time and brought to the island so that Destiny could be corrected.... Jack, Kate, Charlie, Sawyer, Rose and the rest of Flight 815. Destiny and DHARMA were course-correcting.

. . .

Bakunin returned to the burntout Arrow station. He was remorseful. He deposited his hollowed-out Bible containing the film cutting, his glass eye which had been a gift from DHARMA, and the radio he had used to communicate with his friend Inman.

. . .

When Desmond turned the failsafe key in the Swan and caused it to implode, he was rescued by Jacob/Cerberus, but not before he had absorbed much of the Swan's power. Now, DESmond does not see the future but DEStiny - how things are planned to happen - not necessarily how they will happen."

Maybe the salt/ash/magnet dust or whatever it is, is the key to freeing/helping/protecting/containing Jacob. Ben was really quick to tell John to hurry up after he noticed it.

BobBX542- its funny to see someone else noticed the similarities, lets just hope that Lost won't end that way. But, I just had a thought, maybe the Others somehow travel through the dirt and that is why they look so dirty sometimes, like the Terrians on Earth2. I hate to dwell on it too much, but the more I think about Earth2 the more parallels I see to Lost. The planet itself I think ended up being kind of an entity itself, like the island maybe is. It also healed the sick kid, and the guy with a broken leg! They gotted infiltrated by a stranger played by Tim Curry. Hey maybe he is Jacob! I need to settle down before I have a geekgasm!

Do we have any clue how long the Dharma people were on the island before Ben got there? How were the Dharma stations built with the Hostiles/Natives there? Maybe there is yet ANOTHER group of people on the island?! Some that were there all along, some from the Black Rock, and the Dharma people.

thenumbersarebad-I loved Earth 2. I almost bought the box set at Best Buy the other week, but I remember that it was kind of left unfinished and open, so I just didn't bother with it. I loved those weirad things that traveled underground and had control of the little kid. It has been a while since I watched it, so I might be getting some of the details wrong. Hey, maybe that's what LOST is, just the conclusion of EARTH2. It's got the people that travel underground (subterranean tunnels), a weird kid with powers/abilities (Walt), both take place somewhere that is difficult to get to.

I'm just kidding, that would be weird though if that's what Abrams and Cuse were thinking.

It really doesn't look like Clancy Brown, but sort of sounds like him. As cool as it would be to have Clancy back on Lost, it wouldn't make much sense with Kelvin (wasn't his name Joe in Sayid's flashback?) Inman. I know this is off-topic, but I thought the last show with Terry O'Quinn and Clancy Brown was great for it's time, until they abrubtly ended the series without finishing it properly. Did anybody else like Earth2? Terry O'Quinn was sort of the Ben/Jacob of that show.

maybe everything that Damon and Carlton say isn't true. maybe Smokie is nanoparticles. if Smokie was nanoparticles and was connected to the ground, the powder being magnetic would maybe keep smokie out (or maybe in?).

I really like Lockejaw's theory about The Hostiles having a prophecy anticipating a leader who kills his father and can talk to Jacob. (Recall when Locke didn't execute his dad in front of everyone, and Ben said "You're not who we thought you were.") Lasombra thinks the prophecy theory might not be right because Locke didn't actually kill his father -- Sawyer did. However, I think it could be argued that Locke did kill him, even if it wasn't his hands that committed the deed. Him locking Sawyer in the room with "Tom Sawyer" was equivalent to putting a deadly poisonous snake in his bed -- wouldn't you say that the person who put the snake in there "killed" him, even though it was actually the snake that did the biting? Sort of vague, I know, but I think it could be argued that Locke did kill his dad.

mystarry-The Magnetite is a good idea. I don't know how many of us have ever seen those videos of the guy with the blender that can blend anything, but he blended a bunch of super strong magnets and the result looked like what was spread around the cabin. It sort of looked like powder, but when he (blender guy) and Locke picked it up, it didn't fall like powder, but rather clumped together.

I think that the theory about Ben holding Jacob hostage is spot on, but with a twist: Ben used to be able to actually talk to Jacob and for some reason he recently hasn't been able to, and has been putting on the charade for his group to maintain his leadership status.

Also, Jacob is invisible because of the ring he's wearing. Oh wait, that's another story...

anthony hopkins.... that's my guess

Circle around the Scooby doo wild wild west spooky cabin could be like in the film The Skeleton Key, filmed in Louisiana backwoods / swamp area. king and queen of voo doo hoo doo rooms n stuff > Papa Justify and Mama Cecil; they used voo doo BRICK DUST. That'll hold back evil spirits.[b][/b][i][/i]

I think Ben is holding aka Jacob hostage. " help me " to Locke. Locke must have the power to free him. That's why Ben shot / wounded Locke. Get him out of the way. and, Ben, " we're the good guys Michael " ? ? really ! [color=Purple][/color]

I hope that Jacob doest turn out to be some kind of future Locke trapped in some limbo type state, but when I think about it, it is very plausible. The show already has dipped in the time travel paradox ie. Desmond's flashes and his seeming time travel after the hatch went boom. I also recall watching the Season 1 (or 2) DVD special features where the producers comment on the casting of Terry O Quinn and how much they love him, how good an actor he is etc... One specific comment i recall is one of them retelling a story of when his role on the show Alias came to an end they told him something like 'Dont worry, one day were gonna make a show with your character being the center piece of the action or something like that... dont recall the speifics

There's no way that Jacob could be Locke. If you watch this part over again just after Ben was shoved against the wall, Ben looked in Lockes direction, Locke looked at the door, and you get a closeup shot of Jacob's eye looking towards to door. Jacob's eyes are brown.....Locke's and Ben's eyes are both blue. So scratch the idea of a "future Locke".

I personally think it's Richard

heres a better look at the face if you need it. i edited it personally. http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/194/lost2sq2.png

The actor reminds me some of Jamey Sheridan aka Randall Flagg from "The Stand" but the voice does sound like Kelvin although I don't think it's him.

you guys don't think it looks like Bens father? Just a little ?

I am on the fence as to who this is a picture of, earlier I was convinced it was Clancy "Kelvin" Brown, but it really does look like Locke. But the "Help me" certainly sounds like Clancy Brown.Also, this episode just blew my mind and most of my theories out of the water.

I think Jacob could be the smoke himself, maybe taking on different forms. I think Annie, Ben's childhood friend could be Jacob but in a different form. Ben would not have killed her with the Darma people but yet she has not shown up again. Also, I think the black smoke was in the chair and its obvious the electric fence was to keep the "natives" out of the Darma camp. I think Jacob knows Ben is a fraud and he needs help...Ben does not want Locke there..maybe Jacob/Annie/Smokie also take the forms of "dead" people..which is why some see their dearly departed. and all those who doubted the series saying its getting lame..shame on you!

I like your theory, lockejaw, but don't forget that Locke did not kill his father. Sawyer did. Whether there is a prophecy or not, it must have another similarity between Locke and Ben.
Ben's clearly afraid that his days as a leader are over, and the Others would learn that he's a fraud.

Some things got me to thinking. Remember when Ben said to Richard "You remember birthdays don't you Richard"? That struck me odd considering he has never aged. Like Ben was implying your so old do you still remember your birthday Richard? Also remember Ben telling Locke that Jacob doesnt like technology? I noticed Jacob went crazy when Locke pointed his flashlight at him. Why wouldn't Jacob like technology and why would he go crazy from a flashlight? And I do not think that was salt outside Jacobs cabin because it was grey and Locke ran it between his fingers and smelled it. If it was salt, he would have recognized it. Possibly it was pulverized magnetite? This would produce a field and may keep Jacob inside the cabin as a hostage. If Jacob is Locke in a past life, what if Jacob was telling Locke to help himself by saying help me?? Knowing they were one in the same. Or maybe this is an alternate dimension which is why Jacob faded in and out. And Ben knew Locke was special because he was actually Jacob in an alternate reality? Lastly, it struck me really odd Bens mom was barefoot. It was very clear that her feet were in focus. I don't have hdtv but I would love to know if she had 4 toes. Remember when we would see the boatbillies walkin around with no shoes on, and the little kid would be dragging the bear? Well theses shoeless people started to bother me last night, I think there is a clue behind it. My office landlord used to be a cemetary plot salesman in his young years, and he had told me once that the dead don't get buried with shoes. Why, I have no clue. However, what if these shoeless people are all dead people? And what if these dead people are the whisperers and the other others?? Any ideas why Jacob would hate technology to the point he'd go ballistic over a flashlight??

I think Jacob is Locke from the future. I think the Island is the future. A future where babies are not born and the human race is near extinction. I think that flight 815 did crash and was found but the island people of the future went back in time and intercepted the people on 815 and replaced them with clones so that they could help populate the future. Anyone see the 1989 movie Millennium starring Cheryl Ladd and Kris Kristoferson?? Why hasn't Richard aged? He is travelling to different points in time.[color=Green][/color][font=Verdana][/font]

Rita1....As far as Ben's little girl friend, my guess is that we will find out that this is the true identity of Rousso(sp?). There is something fishy about her, and maybe Ben IS Alex's father.

At first I thought Jacob looked like Dennis Hopper, then I got to thinking he looks a bit like Locke. I did not see the figure on my TV but maybe it's just too old (or my eye sight is too old). I do see it clearly on the screen shots here on the site (thank you!).

The scene was a cross between Alien (sci fi) and a horror film. I get very lost when the story goes that way such as time travel and smokie. But then again, I'm believing that these people survived dropping out of the air. (Smiling)

I think Richard (and perhaps many of the others) have been on the island a long time - - possibly thousands of years. Perhaps they have been waiting for someone to lead them (in accordance with a prophecy?) They thought Ben might be it, because he fit the proohecy's description - - an outsider who kills his father and can talk to Jacob - - however, Ben can't really talk to Jacob, but fakes it, and is simply using Jacob's power. Locke really is the leader from the prophecies (notice how Locke's and Ben's actions have many parallels - - easy for the "old ones" to confuse Ben as their leader in their prophecy.)

the site should add Richard in investigations

Notice the shot right after the seated figure. Right after they show Ben, there's a flash of white light (probably Locke's flashlight) then a tight close up of a bloodshot eye looking right then left. I don't think it wsa Locke's eye, but I could be wrong. Also, Ben says "Jacob please I can't hear him if you're going to talk over what he says." Interesting that he could only hear one at a time.

I just joined this group so I could post about this -- I've been reading the investigations on this site for 2 years as a guest, and it keeps me up with the stuff my clueless mind misses (see my name!). Anyway, here's what I think -- I'm not sure who Jacob is, but I think he's a ghost/spirit being held captive by Ben (in voodoo fashion as others have described). I don't think Ben really can see him or hear him, hence the fakey conversation with him. He's just made the other islander believe he can. And that's why he shot Locke -- because Locke COULD hear him.

I agree with the posters concerning the diffence in televisions. I have rewatched the scene three times and have difficulty seeing anything very definitive. Also my friend is convinced that the residue around the cabin is dynamite residue...anyone else know what that looks like and is it possible?
I also wonder about the girl Annie and whether Ben saved her. Would Dharma employees only exist in that one spot or were some on the small island or in the hatches. If this took place about 16 years ago ( Ben about 25 or so) could Danielle's crew somehow have gotten poisoned by the airborne materials, causing them to sicken .

Wow. He does have an uncanny resemblance to Locke. I can't say positively, though. Dang it, I'm on the fence on this one.

Sorry... don't know how to reference/format previous posts... =-(

Halsfire says: (Posted: May 11, 2007 03:00:00 PM)

That's a pretty interesting though drewboo. The only thing I can think of wrong with that is Locke said he saw the monster (a.k.a smokey) as a bright light. Maybe the island forces see him only as good...hmmm...

Or... maybe John "sees" both the good and the bad...

That's a pretty interesting though drewboo. The only thing I can think of wrong with that is Locke said he saw the monster (a.k.a smokey) as a bright light. Maybe the island forces see him only as good...hmmm...

Interesting that Locke (including the philosopher John Locke he is named after) is continually concerned with balance, both on and off the island (read: sense of fairness, honor, purpose and justice, light and dark with backgammon, religious references and knowledge--God/Devil--). That furthered my thought on the "black" smokey and the "white" (or invisible) Jacob... and how both are interested in him.

Or... perhaps these are all "bored at work" thoughts. =-)

Is it Bens Father? Maybe Ben see's him there (not really there) because Ben feels guilty for killing him?

Yeah, I thought it might be Christian Shepard too. Looks kinda' like him in flashbacks when he's got long hair.

My sincere apologies for the post about the image of Jacob not being clear. That's what happens when you have an old tv and satellite interference. I watched again last night and saw the image of Jacob fairly clearly. I am sure a lot of stuff would be much clearer if i had a modern tv. Luckily there's always Sledge's Investigations to keeo me informed if stuff I missed.

I think Jacob kind of looks like Brother Campbell from 317 CATCH 22. [img]http://www.lostpedia.com/images/d/dd/Brother_campbell.jpg[/img]

Is it crazy to maybe suggest that Jacob is really Locke? He does look like Locke with hair.

I was thinking that Jacob was Horace Goodspeed. It kinda looks like him.

there had been a theory that jacob is christian shepperd, jacks dad, and if you look closely you can see a resemblance of christian

Here's a crazy idea - what if Jacob is Ben's son. What happend to that girl (Annie?) that was his childhood friend? You know, the one that made the wooden doll for him? Maybe they fell in love and had a child but because they were experimented on they had some kind of Superchild! What happend to that girl anyway? If they were friends wouldn't she be in on the gasing plot? Did anyone see other survivors besides Ben...I thought there were supposed to be others but he was the only Darhama person I saw that lived.

I'm confused with the fact that so many people didn't see Jacob in the chair. I thought people on this site were more observant than that. =) My entire family noticed it the first time through. I don't believe that Ben was puttig on a show. Jacob's existence help make sence of all the other forces on the island (or at least begins to put the "mising puzzle pieces" together). I wouldn't believe that Jacob existed, but here he is...sitting in the chair right in front of us! I believe it was Jacob who said "Help me" to Locke not ben. Ben said he shot Locke because "You heard him". One of the last things Ben says is "I hope Jacob helps you" (or something to that effect). I'm thinking that Jacob or some other island force will help Locke out so 1.) He won't die and 2.) He can get back at Ben.

I think he looks like Christian.

Sorry that I said that about the dog pic...I was in the wrong place!!!

seamusiv...I think youre right!!! it sure does look like him. although invisible jacob looks like his nose has benn broken before.

when the shack started shaking and everything was flying I was thinking it was Ben ala "Carrie" he was reading it, unhappy childhood yadda yadda, until he was thrown against the wall and Jacob spoke to Locke....great episode !

It seemed like Ben was talking to Jacob as if he were a child, I thought that was really weird. Also if Jacob is so powerful why is he living in a depressing dark little shack? Ben must have some kind of power over him!

I was thinking the ash on the ground could be keeping Jacob prisoner too. In the movie Skeleton Key with Kate Hudson she used special clay/dirt that spirts could not cross. Awesome episode, my head is still spinning!

Maybe an older Gerald de Groot? He is in all of the orientation videos. Maybe he subjected himself to some of his own experiments and is now either a ghost or invisible and blessed with telekenetic powers.

I think that trail around the cabin was ash. It is a voodoo ritual that a spirit can be contained to an area by circling with ash.
Ben is definetly using Jacob to hold power over the Others. I think he is the only one that can "see" or hear him. The Others may have seen a demonstration of what the invisible figure could do, but because Ben is the only one who can see or hear him, Ben has all the power to explain Jacob's actions. Ben is at first relieved that Locke can't see him, but when Locke hears Jacob this causes more of a threat to Ben's power because now there is someone who can potentially tell the Others what Jacob is for real and how Ben has been using him to keep power over the Others.

Orin-That doesn't look like a hole to me, but rather the way the light is reflecting off of the hair. I may be wrong though. You are talking about this picture right??

Shivy-A Co-worker of mine, and a lurker on this site, made a good point about that. Did you notice that when Ben and Locke showed up to the area with the shack that there was a line of something on the ground?? Well, Scott said that it might be something holding Jacob in that area, like a salt circle. If you have ever seen any movies with Exorcisms, or just know anything about paranormal stuff, it seemed like a circle of salt.

So maybe Ben isn't answering to him, but rather using Jacob's power to hold power over the hostiles/Others.

I've noticed that no one has mentioned the fact that Jacob appears to have a huge hole in his head. Just behind his left eye and above his ear in the close-up. It almost looks as if his skull has been cracked open.

Also, regarding the comments about Richard not aging, don't forget one of the Dharma projects was "Life-extension."

The whole interaction between ben and jacob was very strange, almost bad acting. If jacob is supposed to be so high and powerful, why was Ben so aggressive to him and yelling at him. And we got another question last night- how did Ben become more important than Richard, when it's clear Richards been there for a long time. Did anyone catch what Ben said to Richard when they were at the camp, something like 'you should remember that' (it made me think that Richards been around for a very long time before even knowing from the flashback)

Sorry, photo is here:

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It's possible that "Jacob" is Jacob Vanderfield, a member of the Board of Directors on the Hanso Foundation. It seems like they are trying to work in bits and pieces of last summer's The LOST Experience into the show and the brief image of Jacob from last night's show does resemble the photo of Vanderfield.

Photo of Vanderfield:
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i have read that jacob is supposed to be ron perlman but that picture looks absolutely nothing like him at all. the voice on the other hand sounded exactly like perlman or hellboy, or the beast from the tv show, but keifer sutherland? that's funny!!! here is a pic of perlman.

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SirNicoli22 (or anyone)- What crazy eye?? You totally lost me there. I may have missed it because my idiot friend just got a DVR and was trying to show off with it and I missed some of the show.

Now, as for the picture of Jacob here...
I'll be damned if that isn't Locke's profile. The voice that I heard was Keifer Sutherland's, and couldn't get a clear view of the guy sitting in the chair until now. I looked at a couple of pictures of Kris Kristofferson, and I don't think that is him because KK has a pointier nose and a flatter forehead.

nagashi, I completely agree! Richard should be a very old man by now if he was already an adult when Ben was a child! He also seemed noticeably unfazed by young Ben's dead-mom sighting... I have a feeling that Richard is going to be more important than I originally thought.

When I heard the voice, I thought of my favorite highlander, Clancy Brown. then comes this photo and I think it is Clancy Brown, aka Kelvin.

So you have to kill your dad to be an other then huh:) Also, I think this island is where everybody with daddy issues gets sent to work them out. JK Did they name an actor that we don't know that might have played Jacob so we can get a better look at him?

look what his wearing he maybe from the slave ship

about Richard:
also am I the only one that notice the guy the brought Juliet and help lock by giving him swayer profile the same guy that made Ben an other...other??? he haven't age at all why isn't that posted on the main page????

Seeeeee.........

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I seriously think it looks like Kris Kristofferson. It's so weird that you said that gakhandal.

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SirNic, that is actually a shot of Locke you are talking about. It's a shot from outside when he opens the door. We only see Jacob in the shot above.

I didn't think it was Locke at all at first but as we can't see much I'm not sure the debate will end even after a side-by-side. Maybe its supposed to be Locke on a more symbolic level. Anyway, found it very interesting that for all Jacob was telling Ben (not to say he wasn't in fact talking to him, he was clearly hearing something, be it imaginary or real but NOT faked) Ben couldn't hear what Jacob had said to Locke. Richard Alpert is obviously also important. It seems evident now that he is trying to further Locke's mission perhaps to replace Ben. Perhaps, even, Ben understood this when Locke reveals that Jacob had asked Locke to "Help him."

It could be Kris Kristofferson, or it could be...HELLBOY himself! Ron Perlman. The first shot of Jacob, the close-up right after Jacob said "help me" looked like Locke. You could see the scar on Jacob's face that looked exactly like Locke's face. But the second shot of Jacob, the one pictured above, is anyone's guess. And what about the CRAZY EYE they showed. Freaked me out of my pants man!

Astro and I are debating whether or not that is smokey... I'll post a screen and see what you guys think

Dunno what it means but towards the beginning of this scene (when they first enter) you can see smokey in the chair.

Just keep your eye to the right of the screen when the camera swings back. It's only 11 frames.

You can see him plain as day. It's right after Ben is pushed against the wall, the camera goes back to the right, and you see someone there.

I have hd and i definitely seen that silhouette it was a little bit after the deep voice said help me. that was an all around creepy episode and how about ben seeing his mother, was it smokey or what?

"Clearly" see another man in the room? I don't know where this photo came from, but I sure as hell can't clearly see any man in the room on my tv after watching the scene 3 times! I call shenanigans.

Not Locke. Not sure who but not Locke.

when did this pop up?
thats def locke w/ a wig

holly crap! Kris Kristofferson!!!111 Clickie jk. But I'l agree to an extant that he/it does sort of looks like Locke.

It does look like Locke with hair. Maybe the Island cures his baldness and sends him back in time.

holy crap it does look like Locke!

Magnus Hanso!

holy crap! it looks like locke himself with a hood on!