I agree. My daughter, who speaks only high school/college Spanish, was able to understand and communicate when we were in Italy.

sorry, i posted this in the wrong thread before.

"hey, i'm not a linguist, but i know that italian is very similar to spanish (i.e. grazi = gracias, dove = donde, etc.). i just didn't buy it that Hurley didn't pick up on ANY part of her italian. Hurley speaks spanish, albeit a Mexican/English (mexican, right?) version of spanish, which i know can be pretty different. i still can't buy that Hurley didn't pick up on any of what she was saying. he would have had some idea that mikhail was lying. ~funkpod"

Now remember this is Lost -- how do we know she is a good guy? This person could just be another "Other" ! Be aware - things are never as they seem ....

I don't think she said any of this 2 things, here is why not from bablefish:

1.eu nao estou so= I nao am so
2. Is definately not thank you
3. I listened 10 times and she pronounces an M which leads me to belive that the las word is friendly (amistoso). put together i think she sais he is not friendly!!

I'm from the UK and from Naomi's accent when she wakes up and speaks to Hurley in English, she speaks in a very posh English accent - very simliar to Penny's! (Not Australian as previously stated!) Also I had subtitles up when watching (so I don't miss a thing!) and it claimed she spoke Spainsh then Chinese, Italian, Portuguese then of course English. I think she's a friend/work colleague of Penny's come to find Des not the 815ers.

Hello all I am Loni, I have been checking out this site since it was made. I love it, I love every ones ideas, I tell everyone about this site. huge fan of both the show and site. I never registered till now. this is my very first post so go easy. for the whole thing about her saying every one died on 815, I don’t think needs much thought. because if a plane crashed on a secret government island that no one can know where is located even the people that go to work there. what are they supposed to tell the rest of the world. Oh we never found the plane no because that would be odd. simply just make a mock plane and show footage of a fake plane crash and say that was it for the world and the family members. the fact she said that they were all dead only in English is a little odd. and didn’t use English first. but who knows on that one. I also think the island has something to do with the artic. but that’s my weird guess.

in regards to "everyoone on 815 died", couldn't this be something that was just portrayed by widmore or dharma as false info as to not come lookin if a lostie had made contact off island.

Hi, I am Italian and live in Naples, Italy :-) I am a translator and speak several other languages (ENglish, SPanish, French) and I can assure you she first spoke in Spanish (Estoy muriendo), THEN in Italian (I must confirm she said what guy with nickname 89 at #39 wrote: "Aiutami, sto... sto morendo"). I do not know where Cheech got his Italian knowledge, but I am afraid "no sto sola" is just broken Italian :-D
An Italian woman would say "Non sono sola" and that was definitely portuguese. And for the guy from Belgium: I think your mother lied to you: she cannot understand Italian, let alone speak it :-))

Actually, the apostles didn't speak all the languages of the world. On Pentecost when they preached, each person heard them in their own language.

Wouldn't that have simplified this episode? No matter what Naomi spoke we all understood! Alas, it didn't happen that way, but it did leave us a lot to discuss.

as regards the Biblical references on this episode...Naomi was speaking 4 different languages.
Now,I'm not a big Bible fan but I think that the Apostoles aka the students of Jesus were granted by Him the abillity to speak all the languages of the world!!!
Could Naomi be an Apostole,a bringer of good news in a way?
only time will tell...

Hi, I am from China. For the short CHINESE sentence, I listened very carefully twice and now I am sure she said "What happened?". But her pronunciation is not very accurate. So for the first time I really not sure she speaks Chinese. :)

Hi, I am from China. For the short CHINESE sentence, I listened very carefully twice and now I am sure she said "what's going on?"

But her pronunciation is not very accurate. So for the first time I really not sure she speaks Chinese. :)

Fatcat: yes, there are often comments about Biblical references. Not sure in which posting, there have been references to Abraham being asked to sacrifice his son.

Just to clarify on yours. Jesus went into the desert to fast and pray. The devil tempted Jesus to use his divine powers. Jesus never failed; he always resisted whatever the devil offered. After the devil left, then angels came down and ministered to Jesus. Book of Matthew, chapter 4.

The picture of Desmond she brings seems very indicative of a search. In my mind, her being in league with Mikhail seems unlikely. The fact that Penny has limitless fundage and Portugeuse-speaking, arctic-living friends (employees) who monitor signals for her, would also indicate to me that she could hire/assemble a team of search and rescue folks at par with any of the best in the world. The picture of Desmond and the timeline (How many days are we at after the call to Penny from her monitors?) tell me that Naomi is part of Penny's rescue team in some fashion. Is Penny part of the team or another helicopter crash lander somewhere else on the island? Highly unlikely. If you have the power and money for this sort of mission, you supervise, rather than take part. Regarding the languages and translations: with the Latin-based similarities amongst Italian, Spanish, and Portuguese, if you took into account the writers at the show, the translators, the voice coaches, and the condition of Naomi after her crash, it is fairly reasonable for all of these languages to come out sounding very similar if base phrases are used. After what she said in English, I think it is safe to say that someone with much money and power created the false 815 crash. Maybe an organization who could arrange for a bus to hit a man.

first timer here: just wondered if anyone noticed the biblical relationships in episode 17. Desmond is put into situations that seem to test the durability of his faith. Once when he managed to keep his vow of silence in the monastery (a surprise to his superiors). once when he was forced to make tough decisions regarding penny and now what he constantly sacrifices to keep saving charlie. Eerily reminiscient of when the devil led jesus into the desert to tempt him to use his SUPERNATURAL POWERS while fasting for 40 days and 40 nights. i believe he tried three times and after failing, and angels came down to rescue him (our parachutist?)
Finally, whenever jesus (who Desmond does resemble) responds to the devil he quotes the book of deuteronomy. this book has refences to the land of Cannan (the promised land), slavery not lastig more than six years (Ben not allowing his people to leave), etc. i hope this starts a good discussion. thanks and get LOST!

Des had to keep his word. He's been learning things, and integrity is one of them. Lying wouldn't do him any good.

Sayid didn't "kill" patchy the first time, Locke shoved him. I believe Sayid would no longer kill people, he too has been learning life lessons.

I agree with most of everybody. The different languages could of been code, just trying to ferret out who's who. Mikhail's revelation that he all ready has been killed once this week was probably something more significant than what the girl was trying to do.
Charlies right about not letting them get away. Des is a punk for keeping his word. I'm say-id would of killed him again. ???

Hello everybody :-) I'm italian and I assure you that she didn't say anything in my language, it's simply similar to spanish and portoguese because of the latin origin. In any case, Mikail didn't have any mean to help the losties , that's why he lied about her being italian. I think that she's involved with the dharma that's why she reognized Des. the photo...it's a big question, we know that dharma (or the others however) know everything about the lives of the people on the island (just remeber when jack was a prisoner and they showed him that they knew everything about his life, his father and so on ) so maybe they can also have photos and stuff...especially about Des who worked for them. According to me she was sent on the island searching for Des, and having a photo of him in order to identify him, because Des left his job and his station was just a controlling station, so since the dharma didn't receive anymore the control signal (the number from his computer every 108 minutes) they sent Nadia to look for him and discover what happened to the Des' station.

They'd only have to create a "fake" crash site with a few pieces of wreakage and a few bodies, and the black box. Searchers would assume that the rest was underneath the ocean. Just some pieces floating would work, without any bodies, over a very deep part of the ocean.

I don't think it's gonna end with everybody dead. The producers already said they wouldn't cheat and make it end like that, so I don't believe that specific theory is plausable. I do, on the other hand, wonder also about this supposed wreckage that was found (see post #57). I just hope this is elaborated on more in the next episode.

I posted in another section.. but I really can't help but wonder why no one is talking about what she said at the end of the show? Don't you think that this is a little more important than her speaking different languages? or, do you guys just think that it's FAR too random and out there- to discuss? I'm pretty sure that in season 1-2, the idea that they were all dead was a really big theory... now that they flat out said it... it's shocking to not see much feedback... maybe my TV was special and I'm one of a few select people that actually saw that part? I'm dissapointed.

I'm pretty sure she only spoke two foreign languages: Italian and Chinese. I know Hurley said she was speaking Spanish, but he was wrong. I'm fluent in Spanish, and so I understand why he would think that. It's because Spanish and Italian (and Portuguese, for that matter) are Romantic languages, meaning that they all evolved from Latin. With a basic phrase like, "I'm dying," there hasn't been much change over the centuries. I thought at first that she was speaking Spanish as well, bu then I noticed that she was saying "morendo" instead of "muriendo." Same with later when she said, "no sto sola," Italian for I'm not alone. I think she's an Italian woman and in her dying state she wasn't trying to secretly communicate with somebody, but rather wasn't conscious enough to speak English. I just wish I knew what the Chinese was....

They've been able to pull everything else off, Halsfire, why not bodies?

What if Naomi spoke Chinese to see if Jin understood? Maybe she was testing to see what languages were really safe and which were understood by the Losties? (Although I have to add that I'm not sure if I think she's an Other either...)

I know that Dahrma oculd have created a fake wreckage of the plain, but what about the bodies? She didn't say "They didn't find any bodies..." she said "They found no survivors..." This means that crash victims were found with the fake wreckage. The problem is if all the Losties (dead or alive) are on the island; whose bodies were found? ID's would have been made on the dead found with the crash and been linked to people actually flying on the plain. How Dgarma managed to pull this off I would love to find out...

OK, now I have read through everything and found the comments very interesting. Most people seem to think Naomi is an Other, however I am convinced that she isnt, I just think Penny sent her to find Desmond.
Why did Mikhail rush onto the scene? I think he just ran there coz he saw the flare, now when did we last see a flare?

Ill tell you when, when the guys were on the raft, yeah?
And what happened next?
Thats right, Tom and the crew of HMS Linus turn up, shoot Sawyer and are away with Walt.

My theory would continue with not only Mikhail running towards where the flare was fired but maybe more Others. Mikhail was obviously the nearest.

Also while I suspect that 'I am not alone' would mean that Naomi crashed along with someone else, maybe it was just her, in a deluded state commenting that now she has been found, cut from the tree etc that she is not alone, sort of realising that there are other people on this island.

My bad. you are correct. here are the imdb pics (including the tats on marsha)

Clickie

Clickie

No, it's a different actress. But they do look a little similar.

IT IS NADIA! Look here: Clickie

IT IS NADIA! Look here: Clickie

I think the parchuter is an other because - The first time the key isn't turned. A plane falls from the sky, communications are lost (Tom said this when he was talking to Jack. He said something about the sky turning purple), the beacon to find the island is damaged/destroyed (Ben said this also in relation to the sky turning). So unless you have something leading you to the island. You can't find it ( it moves? It's in another dimension? Bermuda triangle? Don't know). At the end of season two the russians call Penny and say either they found him or they found it. I think they said "it" meaning the island. So they have a location but not a stable one. They send the Helicopter it barely gets there. The parchutist has Desmond's picture because Penny wants her to also look into that. Seems to work as long as I didn't screw up any of the facts. Of course based on her tattoo and if see did in fact say "I'm not alone" that raises questions when you think about Jack's tattoo and what it means and how he got it. Anyway.......

mikahl came cuz of the flare..she is one of the others

commo another dimension forget it mate widmore just covered up the crash by saying the found it showing some false pieces off the plane to keep the location of the island secret so that nobody would keep on looking for them simple as that

and penny on the island its cool but i think its to early to get her into the show maybe next season. but i agree there someone else who jumped outta the helicopter and shes or he is on the island

What did she say in Chinese? Does anyone speak Chinese?

If she is there for the Others, why would Mikhail just leave her with the Losties and take off?

I do belive she is there for desmond, i think penny or noami have some knowledge of the Dharma scientists. I think it it is one of the reasons noami looked scared when she saw Mikail trying to help her.I think it is good to remeber in desmonds seeing into the future bit he thought penny would be the one he would find in the woods. I think maybe since he saved charlies life things got mixed up a bit so penny fell to another part of the island and that is why she is saying she is not alone. I mean after all she had a book with a picture of desmond in it. I think that Mikail came up on them cuz he saw the flair and is anxious to get contact with the outside world as much as anyone else since locke blew up the station that was there last chance to communicate with the outside world.

Here's a thought. We've all been speculating that Widmore is behind everything right? Well, if Widmore controls the others or had contact with the Dharma station where Mikail worked maybe they worked out a deal. Penny convinced her Dad to let her get Desmond off the island. The parachuter was to land and shoot her flare to signal to Mikail where she was and he would come get her and help her get to Desmond. I think that Penny is there too and that's what she meant by I"m not alone. Mikail went running off to find Penny.

When she becomes alert and tells Hurley that it was impossible that he survived the crash because the plane had been found and everyone on board was killed opens up the possibility that the island could be located in "another dimension"!

I don't know if it's already been confirmed but what viper21 said is correct. I'm from Brazil and I can clearly hear and understand her saying "Não estou só!" which means "I'm not alone". Remember the fact the there were 2 guys speaking Portuguese in one station there were looking for Desmond.

I think Naomi told Mikkail she was not alone because she is aware of who The Others are. I'm not alone was posturing in her weak moment. Perhaps Penny figured things out or has always known about the island. It seems like a recon mission for Desmond. The fact that the Flight 815 survivors were there was new information.

so if she said im not alone then there is
someone else who jumped outta the helicopter. maybe penny but i think that is to early in the show to happen maybe next season.

is that how you say dying in italian? "Morendo"?

I thought the verb conjugation was supposed to be different, but I don't know italian, so I can't say for sure... it did sound spanish though (ayuda-me, estoy muriendo... help me, I'm dying)...

In any case, she may have tried to speak in multiple languages because she was losing conciousness, because it wouldn't make sense to have a bunch of people speaking english in front of you and you still speak in a different language...

In any case, besides speaking english in the end, the only relevant thing she said that wasn't related to her dying was in portuguese:

Eu não estou só... I'm not alone.

Hi, I just chimed in to confirm what Sunflower said. I'm italian and I assure you she just said: "Aiutami, sto... sto morendo" which is "Help me, I'm... I'm dying".

IMO, she was just in shock (it looks like she's about to pass out at any time) and soldiers are taught the basic phrases to get help in other languages, so she was just randomly saying them. I don't think she was trying to fool the losties: she started the spanish thing while mikhail wasn't even arrived, same with the chinese. Why would she try to find a language they didn't know if they were the only ones there to help her? Makes no sense.

Here's my take...she knows a lot of languages. She knows English and spoke it perfectly, no accent at all. Now when Mikial says 'She said thank you', you'd think she'd say 'no' because she knows what he is saying in english and knows he is lying. She does not object. Then when Mikial is gone, she's now speaking English just fine. If she is an other, where did she plan on landing the chopper? And it couldn't have come from that far away.

What if she was just in shock, because of the injury, and just cycling through languages unknowingly? I don't know. Maybe she works for Dharma. Maybe she is part of the group that drops supplies to the island. She knew Desmond. Maybe she knew him from when he worked at the hatch.
Or, she really could be working for Penny Widmore, and looking for Desmond. Hopefully we'll find out soon, or I'm gonna' go nuts.

i think she is supposed to be there to help with the others, thats why she had the flare, thats why the russian came runnng to meet her, and i think she has the phone to report the damages caused by the explosion of the hatch. but she is secretly in ca-hoots with penny, thats why naomi had a pic of her and desmond. In theory that would mean that Widmore Construction did the construction of the hatches on the island, and she has 2 missions, to find desmond and to report dmages.... just a thought

The Italian translation was Help me, I'm dying. I speak Italian. However, LostinDetroit says that she say in portuguese "I'm not alone."

All right, here we go again...
she says, "Eu não estou só." (I'm not alone)
Do you remember that Ben said when the island lost contact with the outside world, nobody could find the island again? How did she managed to get to the island?
And why she said the plane was found? Maybe a Dharma's or Others' plan to nobody continue searching the plane?
Something that makes sense is the fact she was looking for Desmond, not for survivors, then why she was there...
I still have my theory, that Penny is looking for Desmond, with a group of portuguese or brazilian people...
I'm can't wait for episodes 20,22 'n 23, surely will be very explainful

Sorry for the terrible english again...

Hi, Lost fan from Begium here.
My mother speaks Italian and since Mikhail said it was Italian I made my mother watch the episode (which she really enjoyed ^^) an she verified it as Italien but occuring to her she either says "I don't trust you" or "I didn't have an accident". She doesn't know mikhail for all we now so I guess it's the second one referring to the helicopter crash. Noami was speaking quite unclear so my mother isn't sure but I'm getting a second opinion of an Italian woman she nows as we speak.

she only spoke 3 languages... and the second time she spoke it was still spanish... look at my post below

Is it relevant that in Season 1, when she captured Sayid, Danielle Rousseau questioned him in several different languages? Just something that occured to me -- especially since we're supposed ot be getting a big answer to a queston from Season one either in this episode or the next. Geoff

oh , great comments... it can be just speculation, but it also can be true... (her connection with Mikhail).
Cause surely there was a reason for her talk in this many languages. And the reason wasn`t to be helped. Cause Hurley understood spanish first. And everyone around her speaking in english...

something is not right here.. first hurley shot off that flare gun, then mikhail came running through the forest. he had to have seen the flare and yet he still came running.. next the parachute chick tried several different languages until she found one that only her and mikhail understood..

i guess what i am getting at is, is she working with mikhail? he was the one with the connection to the outside with his little house of electronics. and if they are in on something, why did she say des's name and have his pic...

i am just a little confused here, but then again when is lost not confusing...

Anyone want to comment ???

Im no expert BUT , the equipment that the had , ie the phone and the mask she had on were deffinatly military, this is nothing like the retro shit that DHARMA have , mabey she is associated with DHARMA but higher up in the company or whatever , is she from the father company ie HANSO , well , i dont know , but that mask she had on was deffinaly expensive

She said four things that I caught:

Me estoy muriendo - I'm dying
Eu nao estou so - I'm not alone
Chule cha mu cha (phonetically) - ?
Ayuda-me sto (estoy?) sto muriendo - Help me, I'm, I'm dying...

I don't think she ever spoke italian there (Bakunin was just misleading the losties)...

But she did speak one thing in portuguese, two in spanish and one in Chinese, maybe??

...Who knows. Maybe we won't end up getting an insanely crazy plot twist where Naomi wants to kill everybody and work with the others. Maybe she is simply somebody trying to find Dez and is delusional from getting hurt. What bother's me is what she says about search parties finding the plane with no survivors. I think the "I'm not alone" thing just meant she didn't come looking for Dez all by her lonesome self an someone bailed out of the helicopter with her.

It's an interesting theory, but then why did she speak Chinese? It was clear that the Losties present didn't understand Chinese, so why then switch to Portuguese? The theory only makes sense if a) she knew Mikhail very well to know that he not only spoke Portuguese, but also didn't speak the "safe" Chinese, and b) knew that the Losties didn't know Portuguese (and I don't recall her 'testing' them on it).

Why would someone say that they're dying in a foreign language if they don't want to be understood?

Ayuh, I agree. This show is driving me crazy. I'm wondering now if the person weeks back who suggested that the rich girlfriend is part of Whidmore. (Brain Fart, can't think of names ...) And like someone else said today or last night, maybe the other person is Polly(?) looking for Desmond and they are here to get him off?

Austruck i could not have said it any better.. Once she spoke Spanish and Hurley understood her and translated it in English she would have known that they speak it and she would have said it back in english or even spanish for that Matter but she still continued to talk in other languages.. Hmmm.. i dont know.. NOW IM LOST...lol

She may be Naomi now, but it's going to take me a while to think of her as anyone but Nessa from Las Vegas.

I don't buy the "she was trying every language she knew in order to get help." She wouldn't have kept trying OTHER languages AFTER she realized Hurley understood Spanish. Plus, everyone was standing around speaking ENGLISH. She could have just started there and everyone would have understood her. She was definitely trying to find a language they did NOT know. Which is why she switched AWAY from Spanish once she realized Hurley knew Spanish. (Otherwise, she would have kept speaking Spanish.)

I think she's an other in some sense. Think about it. She ditches the helicopter to land on the island. Hurley accidentily sets off the flare and Mikail comes running. Mikail was probably watching for the flare to come get her when she landed, and didn't obviously know that the Losties had already found her. Why else would he have run toward the flare if he didn't want to be found.

I can hardly speak English, let alone all of those other languages... But for those who do, what were the other things said. We have the Portuguese, how about the Chinese, Spanish, and Italian just to be sure. I personally don't think she was hiding what she was saying, i just think she was delusional. My theory on saying she is not alone is because there was another person in the helicopter, maybe Penny? (i suppose is could also be because she is glad to see other Dharma workers... but thats slightly more grim).

she says shes not alone, its why mikhail tries to steal the phone, he was going to try to find the other ones with her....they shouldve knocked him out when they had a chance,gah!lol

She was definitely disguising what she was saying, or else she would have spoke in English the whole time.

I would ask for help in every language I knew if I landed on an island and was dying. I think that was just a way to let them know she needed help. I think she was looking for Desmond only too. Not even worried about the Losties.

We know that she wasn't looking for survivors...she was looking for Desmond.

Maybe she was like "wow, i am not alone." because she thought she was going to be alone on the island after she jumped out of a frickin helicopter

Well, she obviously wasn't looking for the survivors seeing as how the world thinks they are all dead.

she changes the languages to bloody survive - if i'm in trouble in a foreign country first of i say "help me", than i go "pomogite", than i go "hilfe mich" and so on. simple and normal. but than again - this is lost...

B-Bux, the name Naomi comes from the press release. Her character was originally referred to as 'Parachutist,' and then changed to be 'Naomi.'

Can someone fill me in on how we know this woman's name is Naomi, as someone speculated it would be in a previous post??? I'm a faithful viewer, but this name is not ringing a bell. Thanks

I assumed she changed languages for this reason: Her goal was to communicate with Mikhail and NOT with the Losties. She started in Spanish, and as soon as she realized Hurley could understand her, she switched. She finally found a language that only she and Mikhail knew.

I just want to know why she keeps changing to so many different languages so often...

Just rewatched these scenes...
First thing she says is in Spanish "me estoy muriendo" which Hurley translates accurately to "she says she's dying."
Then in another scene she says something (don't know what) and Jin says it's Chinese not Korean. Then later Italian, according to Patchy just after he was captured. Then after puncturing her lung, she says in Portuguese "eu nao estou so" = I am not alone, which Patchy misleadingly tells the group means "thank you." Don't know if I missed anything...That's a wide range of linguistic skills...who is this girl?

Also heard her say, "I am dieng" in Italian/Spanish.

That is definitely Portuguese for "I am not alone." She seems to have been speaking in several languages. Hurley understood the Spanish portion, but then she says something in Italian and later Portuguese. In the end she speaks in English to Hurley.

I wounder if something came up on Closed Caption or on SAP in Spanish?

I know Mikhail had to be lying, and Im betting that when we all figure what she said, it will be something cryptic enough that only Mikhail or an Other would understand.

she says in Portuguese "eu nao estou so" = "I am not alone"

if she had said "thank you" in Portuguese it'd be "obrigada" or "obrigado"