FIF-I actually think that he does have the pacemaker thing, but that it isn't turned on, yet. I can see Sawyer being a shocking death in the middle of next season.

To go along with Bobbx542, Ben did say that his technique is to take what people care most about and exploit it, so in my opinion he's just toying with Juliet, which explains why he cuts of the tape abruptly as well as gives her such small amounts of information/proof.

That scene reminded me of when Jack was spying on his ex-wife at the park also.

Bob, you were right. Darlton confirmed in the podcast that they only lie Ben has ever told was about being Henry Gale ... but now that I think about it, he did con Sawyer about the pacemaker thing. Either way, sorry for playing devil's advocate :)

Ben IS the devil, and will keep offereing, then retracting, tempting, then shifting...

lost_and-found-To be quite honest, I don't ge the gist. You contradicted your own arguements in that last post, what are you trying to say??

In reply to BobBX542
Why would Ben lie to keep juliet there instead of just saying you have to stay. Hmm let me think for a second. There are actually meaning reasons for this but perhaps one main reason would be because its a bit hard to concentrate on real mind bending research if you mind is on the thought that you will never leave the island. Thus ones mind might spend a bit of time thinking about how to get off instead of ones work. Ben uses the old scratch my back gig. Do something for me, I will do something for you. Now, you will ask why "did" he said you can't leave the second time after 3 years when she asks at the terminal feed. Well because she still has to live up to her end of the bargin for finishing her research and for Ben's so called saving her sisters life. I could get into much more detail then this but I think you get the jist. I believe that her sister never had a relipse, hence the wrong medical chart and hence why she can't talk to her.

"passionate" that is. Hey look... Spell Check. LOL

My turn...
Bob, I love you. I love when you put it right out there. You are obviously pationate about the show is are many others. I totally agree with you. The producers tell us thing to help clear our suspicious minds and yet some of us still question it? We're like a bunch of 3 year olds saying "Why?" all the time. Thanks for the link to the article.
Greetr- good observation.

greetr-good point, and I already made a point to say that what was shown was totally authentic. Damn it.

No, the crash day was not Sept. 11. The show has always clearly given the crash day as Sept. 22, 2004. I believe this was even the date of the pilot originally airing on ABC in the US. The old oceanic-air.com web site even showed this flight date.

Wow - Greetr really brings up a good point !! Something fishy going on this island ... LOL ;)

Hope Sledge reads Greetr's post - would like to see his comment !

Hello
This is my first post...ever to anywhere.
I just love the show Lost and this website is the best at breaking down all the crazy things.
Anyway, what stuck me when i was watching the show were time zones.
We know the plane was on its way from Australia to the US and we know that Juliette sister is in Miami. Interesting that it was be approx. the same time zone in both places.
So
A - It was a tape
Or
B - They aren't as far away of the USA as originally thought.
The time zone difference between Sidney and Miami is 14 hours (Sidney ahead of USA)
Depending on the time of the book club, say 1pm island time, if they are anywhere near Australia, the time in Miami would be 11pm the previous day.
If you recall, the "live feed" was during a bright and sunny afternoon.

Just a thought, thanks

Hello
This is my first post...ever to anywhere.
I just love the show Lost and this website is the best at breaking down all the crazy things.
Anyway, what stuck me when i was watching the show were time zones.
We know the plane was on its way from Australia to the US and we know that Juliette sister is in Miami. Interesting that it was be approx. the same time zone in both places.
So
A - It was a tape
Or
B - They aren't as far away of the USA as originally thought.
The time zone difference between Sidney and Miami is 14 hours (Sidney ahead of USA)
Depending on the time of the book club, say 1pm island time, if they are anywhere near Australia, the time in Miami would be 11pm the previous day.
If you recall, the "live feed" was during a bright and sunny afternoon.

Just a thought, thanks

BobBX542 I couldn't have said it better, I totally agree ;)

wasnt the crash day sept 11th?

I joined just to point out what Creflo just said: the Miami Journal is fictitious. The main Miami paper is the Miami Herald.

I'm with Bob on this. If Ben gives his Word, especially to (or in front of) his people, he must uphold it to maintain order.

The feed was different because the camera was a small spycam.

There is no "Miami Journal" but the papers of record would probably lead with a story about the guy at a Bucs game who was kicked out for hanging an American flag from the stands in the wake of the September 11 terrorist attacks.

The only times that Ben has lied thus far has been when he was in Swan being held captive. As far as I can remember anyway. If I'm wrong, let me know. But ever since Henry has been Ben, I have trusted him, because he seems to be very adamant about keeping his word, and I can't think of anytime that he actually lied.

I don't know Bob, how can you trust that Ben is really telling the truth about this when he lies about everything else?

Wow guys, I just can't believe that you all are refusing to accept the information they are giving us.

mystarry- "The color of the footage looked like old film to me" Because that whoever this Richard person is filming Rachel and Julian with some sort of mini-camera.

"Richard never answered Ben" Because Ben is wearing headphones and Richard is talking to him.

"Ben says cut it off abruptly and refuses to let Juliet see anymore because he knew it was the end of the fake tape" That's not the case at all, The video cut off abruptly because Ben wants to mess with Juliette by saying, 'See, your sister is cured, I didn't lie. that's all you get.'

"How come when Ben is threatened he then comes up with the live feed after two and a half years after telling Juliet her sister wouldn't survive the cancer or the birth?" and "Ben either was lying that she had cancer again, or that video was a fake. No one seems to ever get off that island, and yet Richard is in Miami and just happens to be filming the sister and nephew right at the time Ben contacts him...right!"

Ben told Juliette that he would cure Rachel's Cancer if Juliette stayed on the island to help with the birthing problem. When Juliette called him a liar, he sent Richard to Rachel with a camera to show Juliette that the cancer was cured, and that her and the baby were fine.

"And I don't buy he didn't have something to do with flight 815, especially after his comment about maybe theres a woman who is pregnant on the flight right now." They already told us why flight 815 crashed, Desmond didn't hit the button. And the odds of him being able to guess that there is a pregnant woman on the plane are pretty good, that doesn't mean he had anything to do with the crash.

dokein-Well, Juliet knows the date, and when she sees it on the newspaper, she knows that the person is filming. Plus, the cameraman was reacting to Ben's commands. Plus, 00Dawg makes a pretty good point that there is a kid with her that looks to be about 2 years old. Plus, her sister has all of her hair back.

lost_and_found-Why would Ben lie to Juliette about the cancer?? Before you say "to keep her on the island", keep one thing in mind, he doesn't have to make up stories to keep her there. All he has to do is say no like he did later on in the episode.

I know we all like to look at the stuff and try to figure it out, but honestly, when they give us information, it doesn't help to take what they give us and turn it all around.

I think that juliets sister never had cancer again (relapse). I think the charts that she was shown were for someone else. When Ben said we would cure her if you stay. How does she know she needed curing again. That would explain why he doesnt want her to talk to her. The conversation would go Juliet: "Hi, I'm glad you came back from your relapse." Juleits sister:"huh? what are you talking about? I never had a relapse".

I would say the age of the child with her sister would prove something. Of course, video editing is possible, but I'd think unlikely.

How does the newspaper prove this is a live shot? Juliet has no "real" copy of the paper to compare this to, so it could just as well be a prop made by Ben or Mikhail as part of a hoax. A "newspaper test" like this, made famous by terrorist videos, only proves that the video is no older than the date on the paper (thus the person pictured was still alive on that date), and then only if someone has an accurate archive copy of the paper to compare it to.

can we get a pic of the Miami Journal (or paper of record in Miami) for that same day to compare the OTHER headlines?

Something is off about this live feed of Juliets sister and newphew. The color of the footage looked like old film to me. Richard never answered Ben. That video was contrived. Thats why the other screens had true live footage, proving the color was off on this supposid live feed from Richard. Ben says cut it off abruptly and refuses to let Juliet see anymore because he knew it was the end of the fake tape. How come when Ben is threatened he then comes up with the live feed after two and a half years after telling Juliet her sister wouldn't survive the cancer or the birth? Ben either was lying that she had cancer again, or that video was a fake. No one seems to ever get off that island, and yet Richard is in Miami and just happens to be filming the sister and nephew right at the time Ben contacts him..right! I don't buy it. He looked like he was pulling crap with his crazy eyed look...the one he gives when he is full of BS. And I don't buy he didn't have something to do with flight 815, especially after his comment about maybe theres a woman who is pregnant on the flight right now.

When I saw this scene I thought to myself that Ben is either God or the Devil. He's everywhere and capable of anything.