The "God loves you as he loved Jacob" image also appears in one of the darhma training videos of station 6 for just a single frame at about 1:09 into the video

did anyone notice that in the second to last picture of the two grey lines, there is a man standing tehre in a shadow...prehaps mr. Widmore? I just couldnt take this scene..all the music and everything..WAY to intense for me.

The slide which features the "pipe" is actually scaffolding poles. They do fit together to a scaffold.
Perhaps the same scaffold that killed the man in the red shoes in 3x8.

It's close, can't tell because it is covered up. THE HUNT is seeping into LOST canon!

Hey Sledge is that the coin that you used in the hunt over the summer? The hunt is brainwashing us!!! :) LOL

Aha! Found it, episode 3x06, 37:00, just after Jack starts the surgery, as Danny's going off to kill Sawyer, "Ben just put his life in the hands of one of them. Shepherd wasn't even on Jacob's list."

Hi, first post, so sorry if I point out what's obvious to y'all.

In the discussion of the eye-patch guy screencap, SoHNeosays "Jacob Vanderfield is a member of the Board of Directors on the Hanso Foundation." Where this info comes from, I don't know. But there it is, another mention of "Jacob". And I swear, in the episode where Alex raids the work-camp, Danny (the foreman) wonders why they (the Others) even took Jack, "he wasn't even on Jacob's list" -- can anyone confirm my memory? I'm sifting through the podcasts right now trying to find it...

I'm going to watch that scene again because I don't remember hearing that backwards voice in the music. This seems a little fishy to me.

This seems very similar to the 're-education' scene in Stanley Kubrick's 'A Clockwork Orange'.

Any thoughts on the blue streaking light? ???

Someone reversed the audio in this scene and discovered that it says "Only fools are enslaved by time and space" several times. It sounds like the last one is the black lady who was holding/training/brainwashing/scaring/whatever Walt - Ms. Klugh:

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/02/only-fools-are-enslaved-by-time-and.html

Hey everyone! I just posted the the meaning of the name Jacob because I thought it was interesting that JAMES comes from JACOB. And as most of us lost watchers should know, James is of course Sawyers name... But Im still trying to figure out if there is a connection...

The compass is a masonic symbol

I know this isn't adding to the conversation, but i was so freaked out during this part! all the noise, the video, and the weird goggles... i couldn't take it it was too creepy!

AHHHHH make it stop!! Make it stop!!! :o :o
I think it has changed me forever

GOD LOVE YOU AS HE LOVED JACOB
attached to this passage there are images of steps which make me think of Jacob's Ladder...
and these are some references from the Book of Genesis (28:11-19): "Behold, I am with you and will keep you wherever you go, and will bring you back to this land; for I will not leave you until I have done that of which I have spoken to you." Then Jacob awoke from his sleep and said, "Surely the LORD is in this place; and I did not know it." And he was afraid, and said, "How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven."
maybe there is something related to their mission on this island: they have been brought here - "i will bring you back to this land", to reach their goal - "for I will not leave you until I have done that of which I have spoken to you", and could be some "gate" to something better, or a place where you may undone some bad things you've done or to "save humanity".

It's just me or does anybody else still laughing about "everything changes" with coins on the background?

I wonder about the doll heads. You have three pictures with a single eye, with the head rotating so that the first eye looks up, the second straight ahead, the third down. Then you have a picture showing two eyes, and then you have a picture showing what I think is Shiva, who if I'm correct has the Third Eye?

Is it a progression?

[quote]casino: good note on the Oceanic symbol.

Re: the bible story

I don't know what you mean about Joseph and Benjamin being the legitimate children as opposed to the other 10. Jacob married Leah first, so ... I don't know what you mean by that.

Also, the birthright went to Joseph's sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, because Ruben, who originally had the birthright, defiled his father's bed and lost it. (according to Chronicles)
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See, I told you someone would catch a mistake! I was indeed wrong: Jacob had more than one wife, and Leah was the first and had the first four children. Jacob wanted to marry Rachel, the younger daughter, but the father replaced Rachel with Leah on the wedding day and Jacob didn't know because of the veil. When Jacob found out, Laban agreed to let him marry Rachel, and he did that a week later. Joseph was his favorite son, though, from what I understand. Maybe it was because Rachel was the one he really loved.

I stand corrected.

:o I...SEE...BUNNIES..>!!!

Maybe "Jacob" is in reference to Jack... very interesting discussions so far, though. Gets me thinking!!!

Is this the room that Ms. Klugh was threatening to put Walt back in?

I, too, have one of those Turkish nazar charms that I received as a gift from some Turkish people who stayed with my family, only mine is a little bit different. It looks more like an eye, with the outer part being white and the inner part of the charm being the blue design.

casino: good note on the Oceanic symbol.

Re: the bible story

I don't know what you mean about Joseph and Benjamin being the legitimate children as opposed to the other 10. Jacob married Leah first, so ... I don't know what you mean by that.

Also, the birthright went to Joseph's sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, because Ruben, who originally had the birthright, defiled his father's bed and lost it. (according to Chronicles)

I wonder if Jacob is the doctor who was trying to recruit Juliette?

I think the following is quite interesting.

James is a given name. It is the most popular name for a male in the United States according to the 1990 U.S. Census. [1] It is derived from the same Hebrew name as , JACOB meaning "grasps by the heel" or "supplanter," probably in a deceiving way (in the Bible Jacob was born grasping Esau's heel and later bought his birthright).

The name came into English language from the French variation of Gemmes of the Late Latin name Iacomus, a dialect variant of Iacobus, from the New Testament Greek Ἰάκωβος (Iakōbos), from Hebrew word יעקב (Yaʻaqov). Cognates include Jacob.

I'm still trying to figure out if this could have any meaning. But maybe some of you have some ideas!
(credits to wikipedia.com)

It seems like there was a bunch of these rooms going down the hall way. I wonder if this is where all the Tailies kids are being kept?

Maybe Walt did not get this treatment because he was “special”.

In the picture with the CDs: I believe the thing sitting on top of them is a waxed roll used in early phonographs to make recordings. It had grooves in it like a record. You put it horizontally on a spindle and the needle moved down the length of it to play the recording. I guess that is supposed to illustrate, as the text says, that "everything changes." Also, some of the screens look like they were shot through a lense made to resemble a fly's eye. A fly sees multiple copies of the same image. It's the same shot of the sailboat over and over, but distorted by the curvature of the lense.

Stormdancer:

Did you look at the other pictures on the Wikkipedia page you cited? One of them shows a Nazar on the tail of an airplane. I looked up the Oceanic Arilines symbol, and it turns out that it is also a Nazar.

***CORRECTION***

the sayings in the films are buddhist sayings, plus I see what appears to be a buddhist statue in the film

edit to my earlier post..

The charm is called a nazar or evil eye stone. Some info about it is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazar_%28amulet%29

So the others are buddhist, atleast it seems that way. The sayings in the film arebuddhist films, as well as this:

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/186/story_18617_1.html

Sorry for the duplicate post. Had to happen on the longest one I have ever written :-[

The writers said one time that the name “Jacob” was not random. The slide that we saw in the brainwashing film seems to back that up. The statement “God loves you like he loved Jacob” says a lot. I also think it ties in with the theory that there are more than one group of Others.

I’m no Bible expert, and I will probably get torn apart by anybody who is, but I will try to lay this out as succinctly as possible for future reference because there seem to be some parallels to the LOST story. It’s long, but there’s a lot of Bible condensed here, so forgive me.

Jacob was the son of Isaac. Isaac and Rebekah had two sons, Jacob and Esau. They were twins, but Esau came out first, with Jacob supposedly gripping his heel so that he could hold him back and be the first one out himself. At that time, the first born son had the birthright and basically was the heir to his father’s fortune, so it was important to be first, so it’s no wonder there was some competitiveness. The birthright not only entailed being the head of the family after your father died and getting the bulk of the inheritance, but it also meant that your descendents were blessed and will be a blessing to the lands they inhabit, so it was no small thing to be the first born. Isaac preferred Esau, Rebekah favored Jacob. God also favored Jacob, though I’m not clear as to why. Jacob is the only person in the Old Testament who God actually said that he “loved”. Malachi: 12-3 quotes God as saying “I loved Jacob and hated Esau.” So, Esau had the birthright as the first born, but one day they had been out in the fields and he was starving, and Jacob had some soup. Jacob, sensing that Esau was at a disadvantage, offered to trade the bowl of soup for Esau’s birthright. Esau agreed, which was basically taken as disrespect for the traditions of his father. So, now Jacob has the birthright. The fact that Esau would give this away was a major sign of disrespect, which probably didn’t help him on the “God Hates Me” front. But, Esau might have had an ulterior motive. Sure, his descendants would be blessed, but they would also be enslaved for 400 years before they returned to their homeland (this is the story of the Jews in Egypt), and the idea of being enslaved didn’t really appeal to him, so he was even less motivated to hang onto the birthright. As a side note, it was also important that Jacob be blessed by his father, which he wasn’t going to do because he favored Esau. So, Rebekah arranged to trick Isaac into blessing Jacob instead. Isaac was blind and dying and probably drunk, since it was traditional to have a feast before you passed on your blessing, so this wasn’t as hard as it seems. So, now Jacob has Esau’s birthright and his father’s blessing, and God likes him better. Esau finds out about the deception, and he tells his father about it. Isaac is not happy, but says that Jacob will remain blessed, and gives Esau a lesser blessing. Esau is pretty ticked, and vows to kill Jacob after his father dies.

Rebekah hears about Esau’s plans, and tells Jacob to take off. Jacob goes to live with Laban, and eventually marries his daughter Rachel, and has two sons by her: Joseph and (wait for it….wait for it) Benjamin. Now, as often happens in the Bible, Rachel was originally unable to have children, so Jacob has 10 other sons by other women for a total of twelve. But, as also happens often in the Bible, we get taught a lesson about adultery by having the legitimate offspring become the important ones. And, of course, they are favored by Jacob because they are his legitimate offspring. Joseph has some rough times, being sold into slavery by his brothers because as the first born he had definite plans to rule the whole family, and this is seen as punishment perhaps for the deception that Jacob perpetrated on his father to get his blessing. Jacob is pretty upset about having his favorite son taken away from him. Joseph gets favored by the Pharaohs in Egypt later on, though, and is put in charge of the food stores. When a famine occurs, the brothers go to Joseph to get grain. Joseph says that he won’t give them any unless they bring him his paternal brother, Benjamin. Jacob refuses at first, afraid Joseph is going to hurt Benjamin, but eventually they have to give in. Joseph is glad to see his brother again, and everybody makes up, and Jacob is happy.

Later on, Jacob leads his people towards Canaan, which in modern times includes Lebanon, Gaza, and Isreal, which constitutes their return to their homeland. Esau is coming with 400 men to stop him, and it looks like there is going to be a fight. Jacob sends presents to Esau, though, and that takes the fire out of him, so it ends up being an emotional reunion between two brothers instead of a war. Jacob reaches Canaan, and the descendants of his 12 sons become the twelve tribes of Isreal.

So, if I had to relate this to LOST, I would say that Jacob was one of two brothers and was considered to be “the good one.” There was a struggle for control of the family business between him and another, and he won out, in part due to deceit. Benjamin Linus is one of the descendents of Jacob, and there is a Joseph out there in charge of the “bad ones.” Maybe there is an Esau out there trying to prevent Jacob and his people from reaching their goal, whatever that is. I leave it up to everyone else to draw more parallels, but that’s the Biblical connection to Jacob.

The writers said one time that the name “Jacob” was not random. The slide that we saw in the brainwashing film seems to back that up. The statement “God loves you like he loved Jacob” says a lot. I also think it ties in with the theory that there are more than one group of Others.

I’m no Bible expert, and I will probably get torn apart by anybody who is, but I will try to lay this out as succinctly as possible for future reference because there seem to be some parallels to the LOST story. It’s long, but there’s a lot of Bible condensed here, so forgive me.

Jacob was the son of Isaac. Isaac and Rebekah had two sons, Jacob and Esau. They were twins, but Esau came out first, with Jacob supposedly gripping his heel so that he could hold him back and be the first one out himself. At that time, the first born son had the birthright and basically was the heir to his father’s fortune, so it was important to be first, so it’s no wonder there was some competitiveness. The birthright not only entailed being the head of the family after your father died and getting the bulk of the inheritance, but it also meant that your descendents were blessed and will be a blessing to the lands they inhabit, so it was no small thing to be the first born. Isaac preferred Esau, Rebekah favored Jacob. God also favored Jacob, though I’m not clear as to why. Jacob is the only person in the Old Testament who God actually said that he “loved”. Malachi: 12-3 quotes God as saying “I loved Jacob and hated Esau.” So, Esau had the birthright as the first born, but one day they had been out in the fields and he was starving, and Jacob had some soup. Jacob, sensing that Esau was at a disadvantage, offered to trade the bowl of soup for Esau’s birthright. Esau agreed, which was basically taken as disrespect for the traditions of his father. So, now Jacob has the birthright. The fact that Esau would give this away was a major sign of disrespect, which probably didn’t help him on the “God Hates Me” front. But, Esau might have had an ulterior motive. Sure, his descendants would be blessed, but they would also be enslaved for 400 years before they returned to their homeland (this is the story of the Jews in Egypt), and the idea of being enslaved didn’t really appeal to him, so he was even less motivated to hang onto the birthright. As a side note, it was also important that Jacob be blessed by his father, which he wasn’t going to do because he favored Esau. So, Rebekah arranged to trick Isaac into blessing Jacob instead. Isaac was blind and dying and probably drunk, since it was traditional to have a feast before you passed on your blessing, so this wasn’t as hard as it seems. So, now Jacob has Esau’s birthright and his father’s blessing, and God likes him better. Esau finds out about the deception, and he tells his father about it. Isaac is not happy, but says that Jacob will remain blessed, and gives Esau a lesser blessing. Esau is pretty ticked, and vows to kill Jacob after his father dies.

Rebekah hears about Esau’s plans, and tells Jacob to take off. Jacob goes to live with Laban, and eventually marries his daughter Rachel, and has two sons by her: Joseph and (wait for it….wait for it) Benjamin. Now, as often happens in the Bible, Rachel was originally unable to have children, so Jacob has 10 other sons by other women for a total of twelve. But, as also happens often in the Bible, we get taught a lesson about adultery by having the legitimate offspring become the important ones. And, of course, they are favored by Jacob because they are his legitimate offspring. Joseph has some rough times, being sold into slavery by his brothers because as the first born he had definite plans to rule the whole family, and this is seen as punishment perhaps for the deception that Jacob perpetrated on his father to get his blessing. Jacob is pretty upset about having his favorite son taken away from him. Joseph gets favored by the Pharaohs in Egypt later on, though, and is put in charge of the food stores. When a famine occurs, the brothers go to Joseph to get grain. Joseph says that he won’t give them any unless they bring him his paternal brother, Benjamin. Jacob refuses at first, afraid Joseph is going to hurt Benjamin, but eventually they have to give in. Joseph is glad to see his brother again, and everybody makes up, and Jacob is happy.

Later on, Jacob leads his people towards Canaan, which in modern times includes Lebanon, Gaza, and Isreal, which constitutes their return to their homeland. Esau is coming with 400 men to stop him, and it looks like there is going to be a fight. Jacob sends presents to Esau, though, and that takes the fire out of him, so it ends up being an emotional reunion between two brothers instead of a war. Jacob reaches Canaan, and the descendants of his 12 sons become the twelve tribes of Isreal.

So, if I had to relate this to LOST, I would say that Jacob was one of two brothers and was considered to be “the good one.” There was a struggle for control of the family business between him and another, and he won out, in part due to deceit. Benjamin Linus is one of the descendents of Jacob, and there is a Joseph out there in charge of the “bad ones.” Maybe there is an Esau out there trying to prevent Jacob and his people from reaching their goal, whatever that is. I leave it up to everyone else to draw more parallels, but that’s the Biblical connection to Jacob.

regarding slide #22 (the one after the bird's nest)

I have a charm that looks *exactly* like that - I received it as a gift from my neighbor who is Turkish and she went back to Turkey last summer to visit her relatives. We watched her house while she was gone and she gave me the charm and some other jewelry. She said it's supposed to ward off evil. *shrugs*

Is this the first example of concrete evidence linking the "others" to Dharma/Hanso? Unless I'm forgetting something, I think up to now it's been purely speculative.

It's like I could practically hear Beethoven's "Ode to Joy" in the background (if it wasn't for being so freaked out by that blaring techno, of course).

Also, did anyone else get a eird Scientology feel from this, or was it just me and my friends??

that deffinitely is a ship in those images, but it actually looks like a sailboat as oppossed to a pirate ship. The question I'm having is why do we think they're doing this?? It's obviously for brainwashing, but for what reason?? Is it like a re-education center??

The slide that shows the lengths of pipe in racks. It looks like the ends are tapered so that they fit together. It reminds me of a rig used for drilling.

Anyone draw any significance from the focus on the doll's eyes, and the fact that one picture depicts an Asian eye, while the other depicts a Caucasian eye? I was in China recently, and there was discussion at dinner one night of how Asian women were having surgery to have their eyes made to look more "Western." I wonder if there is any significance in that.

The first frame is hard to read in that screencap, but it says:

Plant a good
seed and you
will joyfully
gather fruit

I think that's a boat in 6 - 9. Possibly the Black Rock?

Is that a boat int he 7th image.

See i knew my name would come into effect sometime in this show.

WOW... YOU ROCK, SLEDGE!! :o