i think that they are in Atlantis, and that the statue is part of a statue of their king (?) (maybe benry?) ???

Look, I'm with Stephen King on this one: the huge statue is stupid and unnecessary....

Stephen King said in his monthly EW article that he thinks it's dumb and I agree. We have far too much to catch up on to worry about some stupid big toed statue. There were plenty of ways to find out people have been on the Island for a gazillion years.

This was really, really poor writing, imho, on the part of the legend in his own mind Lindelof.

Just my thoughts.
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*Des8

Quote from: bastorBut it had 4 fingers :/ Thats scary i think it was left from some ailiens who were on this island long ago and then Drahma came and started experimenting whit what they had foundQuote from: bastorSorry for spamming but putting a HUGE 4 FINGERED foot just for nothing?? Sounds pointless....I'd be scared if my feet had fingers instead of toes.

Quote from: stillhaventfoundQuote from: goober... you have about a 1 in 40,000 chance of meeting an individual that you have met before on a flight from Sydney to LAX. Now, probability is also multiplicative. So the chance of meeting 2 people that you have met before on a flight from Sydney to LAX is roughly 1 in 1.6 billion! Get my drift. The odds of all of these people have interconnected past experiences and being on the same flight out of Sydney to LAX is ASTRONOMICAL!!! ... to say the least. They all share something in common obviously. What that is I don't know. All I do know is that they are in fact "there for a reason". What that reason is most likely has something to do with the Hanso/Dharma experiments. Are they clones? Maybe. Was their flight planned so that they would be on it and survive the crash? Probably (I'm not good enough to calculate the probability of someone being on a flight to a specific airport at a specific time of year and day and then also surviving a crash!). Ok, I totally agree with you that everyone is there for a reason.  But, the only ones on the plane that we know of that had a direct connection were Hurley and Libby, and we have some clues that Libby was possibly stalking Hurley or at least knew he was on the plane.  The rest of the connections are once or twice removed; I would guess that the odds of people being on the same plane and knowing someone similar are MUCH better. Think of it this way: in the "5 degrees of Kevin Bacon" game, odds get better and better with each degree of separation that there is a connection.I'm not saying that it is likely that all of their connections are coincidence, I would still guess it is pretty improbable, but I do think it is a bit overstated...The calculation is a rough guess. There are entirely too many variables for me to calculate accurately (or even spend that amount of time attempting it), but the connections are a bit more complicated than stated above. Check: http://lost.cubit.net/connections.php  Jack met Desmond directly also from what I recall.

Quote from: goober... you have about a 1 in 40,000 chance of meeting an individual that you have met before on a flight from Sydney to LAX. Now, probability is also multiplicative. So the chance of meeting 2 people that you have met before on a flight from Sydney to LAX is roughly 1 in 1.6 billion! Get my drift. The odds of all of these people have interconnected past experiences and being on the same flight out of Sydney to LAX is ASTRONOMICAL!!! ... to say the least. They all share something in common obviously. What that is I don't know. All I do know is that they are in fact "there for a reason". What that reason is most likely has something to do with the Hanso/Dharma experiments. Are they clones? Maybe. Was their flight planned so that they would be on it and survive the crash? Probably (I'm not good enough to calculate the probability of someone being on a flight to a specific airport at a specific time of year and day and then also surviving a crash!). Ok, I totally agree with you that everyone is there for a reason.  But, the only ones on the plane that we know of that had a direct connection were Hurley and Libby, and we have some clues that Libby was possibly stalking Hurley or at least knew he was on the plane.  The rest of the connections are once or twice removed; I would guess that the odds of people being on the same plane and knowing someone similar are MUCH better. Think of it this way: in the "5 degrees of Kevin Bacon" game, odds get better and better with each degree of separation that there is a connection.I'm not saying that it is likely that all of their connections are coincidence, I would still guess it is pretty improbable, but I do think it is a bit overstated...

Excellent thesis there Goober. You made some very valid points.I agree about the Dharma people.That is why I like the old film and video and  am not much inclined with the new slick Hanso Foundation for the Lost Experience game. I prefer t think itwas an ldexperiment.Though kelvin updates timeline afterGulf War.We don't know when he left CIA OPs and joijed Dharma. I think there are still some active experiments going on like whateve was doen toWalt,mind control, (visions), etc.I am a personal believer as no such thing as coincidence.There is a reason they survived and were all on that plane.Sayid said early on inseason one ,in reference to the polar bears, us surving a plane crash like that now that's impossible. As for what all this has to do about the four footed statue,we have the links with the Lumarians,David Ick's theories on four toed reptilains, Kirscher's Hollow Earth Theroy, Taoism,te I Ching, so yes you are right, we viewers know where to look, what to investigate. .What it all adds up to?,I have faith  more will be revealed.(Hopefully in season 3 not 8 or 10)

Thanks Demra :) :) :) I get confused which one I'm on.

hey Pandora can we get his thread merged with this one http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=1540.0they seem to be along the same vein thanks bunches

Quote from: AmazonMonkeyQuote from: HCRhinoI must side with Jason, the lost continent of MU (lemuria) is also known as the land of the four toes.  Mythed to have four toes due the soil consistancy of the land bridge from Australia to India (James Churchhill).  I also believe that "Lemurians" (???) are considered the third level of man to re-populate elsewhere in the belief of Theosophy (a modernized all encompassing religion utilizing many of the beliefs and ceremony of Buddism).  This accepted we have a pretty good idea where our survivors (?) are. I must say also, and I am not trying to disrespect the intelligence of the writers, but if this stuff came from somewhere the collective knowledge of the people on this site alone will surely find the referernces they used.  We have doctors, scientists, writers, and many many more specialised education levels.  We have to remember that when we treat this story like its got some mysertious wall around it... those writers are not smarter than us combines, its just they know where the story is going so they can look up stuff about it.  Again I am not saying Were geniuses and they're dummies, but I think you get my point.Yes I do. Good point. I for one tend to try to read something into what goes on in Lost rather than taking it at face value. My training as a scientist has taught me to be (a) skeptical, (b) critical, and (c) analytical.  So I'm going to try a little experiment here (Ok OK I just finished the retaining wall, number 1 on the HTD list  ;) and so I'm looking to waste some time here in the air conditioned space that houses my computer and my beer... I'm in ST Louis and it is 96 and HUMID) Anyway two pathways. Pathway 1: Take everything at face value. Pathway 2: Be skeptical, critical, and analytical.Pathway 1: The passengers of Flight 815 have some interconnections between them, but nothing that points to any one particular explanation. Could be chance that many of them have met before. Consider, how many people have you met in your lifetime or simply just "brushed" into? Do you remember them all? Probably not, so this stuff could be quite coincidental. Desmond has said that the plane crashed at the same time that he let the timer run out. Could be the EMF on the island caused the plane crash. Could be a simple accident and coincidence that it happened at roughly the same time as Desmond's faux pas. This show has the feel of a character based drama and thus we should not be surprised at the flashbacks and character interactions because that's the heart of character-based drama folks, Character Development! The Hanso/Dharma stuff is a nice backdrop, but hardly worthy of a cloak-and-dagger conspiracty. The Dharma folks are still dropping food for the Others because they know that they are still there. Kelvin is dead. He was probably washed away (since he was quite close to the shoreline) after he died, or one of the others stumbled across the body and buried it. The others are just stubborn utopians who refused to leave after the experiments ended. That's it folks! Nothing to see here. Go home! It's over! Enjoy your summer and wait for the first episode of season 3. No conspiracy. Nothing to see here. The four-toed statue is just another red herring designed to fuel your internet conspiracy theorists. The hatch was supposed to be abandoned years ago, but nobody told the occupants to do so. The EMF would have destroyed the hatch and ONLY the hatch if it were allowed to run its full course, the fail-safe wasn't necessary. Evidence that NOTHING else on the island was affected by the EMF, but the swan station. End of the world? Methinks not.Pathway 2: Too many coincidences to name. Now, how many were on flight 815? About 200? OK so roughly 1/4th survived the crash. Not unheard of. Although most airline crashes occur either shortly after take-off or while landing. Planes just don't drop out of the sky mid-flight. The amount of sheer force necessary to separate the tail section from the midsection is astronomical. Multiply this by about 400 if you want to know how much force is necessary to separate the mid and front sections! So let's first calculate the probablity of ONE person that you have met previously being on the same flight (omitting of course instances in which you are attending a conference in which all are from the same occupation, and other such coincidental multipliers) since I don't want to bore you all, check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability_theory and do the appropriate calculations if you wish to. For a rough estimate, the population of the US is 298 million... roughly 1/3 of those (100 million) are adult... of those adults, about 1/2 will fly a plane in their lifetime so we are at 50 million... of those, a bit more than 1/3 are over 50 (so we are at about 30 milion)... of those, about 10% will fly a plane OUTSIDE of US boundaries (so we are at 3 million)... of those that fly outside of the US 2% fly to australia (so now we are at 60,000)... LAX is the primary destination, accounting for roughly 2/3 of the traffic (so we are at 40,000)... you have about a 1 in 40,000 chance of meeting an individual that you have met before on a flight from Sydney to LAX. Now, probability is also multiplicative. So the chance of meeting 2 people that you have met before on a flight from Sydney to LAX is roughly 1 in 1.6 billion! Get my drift. The odds of all of these people have interconnected past experiences and being on the same flight out of Sydney to LAX is ASTRONOMICAL!!! ... to say the least. They all share something in common obviously. What that is I don't know. All I do know is that they are in fact "there for a reason". What that reason is most likely has something to do with the Hanso/Dharma experiments. Are they clones? Maybe. Was their flight planned so that they would be on it and survive the crash? Probably (I'm not good enough to calculate the probability of someone being on a flight to a specific airport at a specific time of year and day and then also surviving a crash!). Hmmm. I guess that I will choose to be analytical and not just take things at face value.

Quote from: HCRhinoI must side with Jason, the lost continent of MU (lemuria) is also known as the land of the four toes.  Mythed to have four toes due the soil consistancy of the land bridge from Australia to India (James Churchhill).  I also believe that "Lemurians" (???) are considered the third level of man to re-populate elsewhere in the belief of Theosophy (a modernized all encompassing religion utilizing many of the beliefs and ceremony of Buddism).  This accepted we have a pretty good idea where our survivors (?) are. I must say also, and I am not trying to disrespect the intelligence of the writers, but if this stuff came from somewhere the collective knowledge of the people on this site alone will surely find the referernces they used.  We have doctors, scientists, writers, and many many more specialised education levels.  We have to remember that when we treat this story like its got some mysertious wall around it... those writers are not smarter than us combines, its just they know where the story is going so they can look up stuff about it.  Again I am not saying Were geniuses and they're dummies, but I think you get my point.

I must side with Jason, the lost continent of MU (lemuria) is also known as the land of the four toes.  Mythed to have four toes due the soil consistancy of the land bridge from Australia to India (James Churchhill).  I also believe that "Lemurians" (???) are considered the third level of man to re-populate elsewhere in the belief of Theosophy (a modernized all encompassing religion utilizing many of the beliefs and ceremony of Buddism).  This accepted we have a pretty good idea where our survivors (?) are.

Quote from: Geronimo JacksonThe producers made a joke in theirpodcast about Homer Simpson and the statue.It was stated it was to show what happened before Dharma got there.There is a lot of credence to four foot reptilians.Someone mentioned the LEMURIA legend a lot of that theroy is being discussed in the Hollow EarthTheroy under spoliers theroies and speculations. LetThere be Dragons could be a significant clue.true my friend I had posted somewhere else that the foot might have a relation to the map markings that read Here Be Dragons  It had to do with certain types of dragons having only 4 toes and that the rest of the statue is now gone so we are assumeing that the foot belonged to a human  but could have actually been of a dragon

The producers made a joke in theirpodcast about Homer Simpson and the statue.It was stated it was to show what happened before Dharma got there.There is a lot of credence to four foot reptilians.Someone mentioned the LEMURIA legend a lot of that theroy is being discussed in the Hollow EarthTheroy under spoliers theroies and speculations. LetThere be Dragons could be a significant clue.

Re: Dharma and the statue[spoiler] TPTB say the statue is from the time before Dharma[/spoiler]

one more thing to add: I remember from high school one of my teachers talking about evolution and that the speculation about the "next evolution of man" would be to lose the fifth toe. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I did look it up and found this Clickie

This guy obviously likes to make himself sound smart with lots of big words, etc., but now to my point...

Perhaps the statue is either:

1. A marker of the island being previously inhabited by a population of people that had only four toes.

OR MORE INTERESTINGLY:

2. A marker of the island and the Dharma Initiative being an evolutionary experiment. Dharma is obviously all about symbols, and if they placed the foot/statue there, it must have some meaning for Dharma.

In greek mythology dragons had 4 toes and on the blast door there was a referance to " here be dragons" could this have refered to the statue?
If you google "4 toed greek mythological people"
you will see what i mean

In the book Bad Twin there is a reference to the Helios Foundation, which may support, or at least connect to this theory.
Bad Twin was written by (fictional author) Gary Troup, who delivered the manuscript to Hyperion Publishing just before his fateful trip on Oceanic Flight 815. It is unknown if the author survived the crash, but the manuscript was found and read by Hurley (in Episode 2x13—The Long Con). The manuscript was later acquired by Sawyer. Before Sawyer could finish reading it, Jack burned the ending to emphasise his serious demand that Sawyer hand over the stolen guns (Episode 2x20—Two for the Road).

Clickie

Read for a LEMURIA legend, search with google.. or check this LINK:

Clickie

How about this?

Clickie

This is a summary of a book called "Half Past Human", apparently about a time when the earth is overpopulated and a race of four toed humans are genetically engineered to breed out traits that prevent normal humans from living in close quarters. It sounds very Dharma-ish to me with all their research into utopian societies, etc.

Taed-I think that depending on how you read the sentence it could mean that the pedestal only has half a leg and 4 toes that are left of the statue, or the pedestal with the half a leg and 4 toes (which is how it was carved) is all that remains (of the statue) It might sound off, but it works in my head.

Clearly somewhere on this island is Springfield and that is a statue of Homer Simpson.

Note that the foot clearly was carved / built with only 4 toes, whereas the quotes from that book say that only 4 toes remained, implying that there were once 5.

After spending so long on the island away from the rest of humanity, the others are bound to turn incestuous ;)

I actually have some faith in this statue, if you want to read it, go to the main page of comments for the show.

Sorry for spamming but putting a HUGE 4 FINGERED foot just for nothing?? Sounds pointless....

But it had 4 fingers :/ Thats scary i think it was left from some ailiens who were on this island long ago and then Drahma came and started experimenting whit what they had found

fantastic information sledge. I gut tells me that the statue is not that important but put to throw us of. Just part of the history of the island not part of dharma.

I told ya it is ailiens and cloning im sure now :)