Well, with regard to the guys in the bunker or whatever it was, saying we've found 'it' I have been wondering about this and I have a theory. I'm sure there's another post that it's relevant to, so I'll post it there too: I think Penny sent out the real Henry Gale in the balloon to find Desmond. The real Henry Gale later crashed on the island and died (not sure who would have buried him so nicely though...). When the balloon crashed, everything stopped working on it, including it's tracker system which would have enabled somebody to know where it was. When the explosion/key turning/big light event happened, the electromagnetic force of it switched on the balloon tracking system or triggered it in some way so it showed up on their system. Thus - 'we've found it'! BTW, I completely support HurleysGirl on the no cloning thing too...

<------------ speaks from experience (and three lovely children to boot)

Quote from: HurleysGirlNot necessarily "pack it to bring it with you."  More like, "damn, I was going to do this this morning before I rushed to the airport and I really need to know, I'll throw it in my suitcase and take the test after I arrive in LA" kind of thing.  Or a "I really am scared I'm preggers but I don't have the bollocks to take the test, I'll do it tomorrow,,,,"See that's why I asked...two perfectly good situations...

Not necessarily "pack it to bring it with you."  More like, "damn, I was going to do this this morning before I rushed to the airport and I really need to know, I'll throw it in my suitcase and take the test after I arrive in LA" kind of thing.  Or a "I really am scared I'm preggers but I don't have the bollocks to take the test, I'll do it tomorrow,,,,"

Quote from: HurleysGirlQuote from: AmazonMonkeyI THINK... Sun knew to ask for the pregnancy test from Sawyer...be she is the who that would fly with on... She MUST have already suspected she was pregnant and had it with her... I know I know that spoils all those foolish notion that the island brought Jin homeboys back to life and got her knocked up on the island.  I think she and the test and was going to use it as soon as she could... which ended up being weeks later... thats what I think. ;) Actually that makes quite a bit of sense.  Of course, there were several hundred people on the plane and I'm sure many of them were women of childbearing age.  I can also think of several situations where a preg test could end up in my luggage.   Interesting to note that Widmore Pharmaceuticals most likely markets its products in Australia whereas Widmore Construction has jobs in England and America (Michael???).  How much crossover is there between English and Australian markets?You would bring them with you?  It would have to be a freakin long trip with no supermarkets around.  But hey I'm not a lady...I don't know these things.  The prego test in the luggage always confused me.

Quote from: AmazonMonkeyQuote from: BobBX542BOOM!!!!!!!!!Okay, now where were we?? Oh yeah, fusebox, the pregnancy test came from Sawyer's stash from the plane, not the hatch.I THINK... Sun knew to ask for the pregnancy test from Sawyer...be she is the who that would fly with on... She MUST have already suspected she was pregnant and had it with her... I know I know that spoils all those foolish notion that the island brought Jin homeboys back to life and got her knocked up on the island.  I think she and the test and was going to use it as soon as she could... which ended up being weeks later... thats what I think. ;) Actually that makes quite a bit of sense.  Of course, there were several hundred people on the plane and I'm sure many of them were women of childbearing age.  I can also think of several situations where a preg test could end up in my luggage.  Interesting to note that Widmore Pharmaceuticals most likely markets its products in Australia whereas Widmore Construction has jobs in England and America (Michael???).  How much crossover is there between English and Australian markets?

Quote from: BobBX542BOOM!!!!!!!!!Okay, now where were we?? Oh yeah, fusebox, the pregnancy test came from Sawyer's stash from the plane, not the hatch.I THINK... Sun knew to ask for the pregnancy test from Sawyer...be she is the who that would fly with on... She MUST have already suspected she was pregnant and had it with her... I know I know that spoils all those foolish notion that the island brought Jin homeboys back to life and got her knocked up on the island.  I think she and the test and was going to use it as soon as she could... which ended up being weeks later... thats what I think. ;)

BEWARE THE WRATH OF HURLEY'S GIRL!

More semantics: time travel v. time loop. They could still be stuck in time, not going anywhere. Hence, not travelling. Time travel = cop out. Aliens = cop out. Purgatory = cop out. Cloning = wrath of HurleysGirl.

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No Hurley girl  found several on line interviews and  and newspaper clippings and I think we can all take a deep sigh of relief that time traveli s out.Now as forcloning that's still on the boards. We gotta trust them on somethings,I am holding them to no timetravel.

Quote from: BobBX542fusebox-good point, didn't think of that. keep in mind, when thinking about the time warp thing, the producers already said they weren't going to do that.The producers say a lot of things.........

Going against my own comment. I guess if the pregnancy test came from the hatch, it most likely would have been Dharma issued, not Widmore.

Quote from: HurleysGirlOh Lord this is going to be a loooooooong summer. :-Guys guys guys...and ladies.  This is all semantics.  No there are no clones.  But bad twins...maybe.  I'd have to say scientifically speaking that there is a 78% chance that widmore's clone is the bad twin.  What do you think?

Quote from: HurleysGirlJust         makethem go away!!!!!Muhahahahahahha :)

Just        makethem go away!!!!!

Quote from: HurleysGirlI thought we determined they were cybornetic organisms not clones... :)

<--------------Holds head.........oh god, not the clones again..............

Quote from: papalina68Pandora:  there is definitely a similarity in Hanso's and Charles Widmore's physique -- coincidence or something else?  Widmore's accent is also unusual for someone from the south of England, he could easily be a Dane by birth!But the photo of Hanso shows up at one time as being from the 1980's then changed once game began to 2003

First off, great catch on the brochure to begin with, sledge...But Jason, that's amazing that you found that paragraph exactly!  How did you manage to come across it?BigWig:  I think since we're talking O.C. here... not a show I watch, but I heard elsewhere that the other good connection is that The Elizabeth says that the home port is "Newport Beach".

Quote from: BonesAnd the widmore prego tests were a little odd too...who the heck carries widmore lab pregnancy tests on a plane trip.  Strange, could they have been from the hatch. Maybe from someone on the plane who was trying to get pregnant.

Quote from: fuseboxExcellent post, JasonE.  Off subject, was Bigwig Widmore the grandfather from The O.C.?  Wife wants to know.He was. Also seen recently as the Vice President in "24". In the UK and Australia, however, he is most famous for his role as Jim Robinson in the Aussie soap "Neighbours" (Aus/UK spelling) in the 1980's & 90's. Strewth!

Excellent post, JasonE.
Off subject, was Bigwig Widmore the grandfather from The O.C.? Wife wants to know.

And the widmore prego tests were a little odd too...who the heck carries widmore lab pregnancy tests on a plane trip. 

The quote on the back of the brochure is directly copied from the volvooceanrace.org website. It is found on the Whitbread 1973 - 1974 page, 6 paragraphs down.

There was a feeling of apprehension and nervous exhilaration as 17 race yachts, carrying 167 crew from seven different nations, hoisted their spinnakers on the way out from Portsmouth into the English Channel on the first leg of a brand new sporting contest, the Whitbread Round the World Yacht Race. The race was conceived and organised by the Royal Naval Sailing Association with sponsorship from the London-based brewery company and was the first ever attempt at a global, crewed yacht race.

The yachts, ranging from the 1936-built Peter Von Danzig of Germany, to the UK’s Burton Cutter, which was still being finished during the race, were no different from many of the 3,000 spectator boats that set out to witness the historic start. Crews were mostly adventure-driven novices, with limited experience of offshore sailing and absolutely no idea what lay ahead over the coming 27,500 nms.

Most of the skippers, by contrast, had thousands of sea miles under their belts. Skippers like Chay Blyth, a pugnacious sergeant of the British Army who had first achieved notoriety in 1966 when he rowed the Atlantic with Captain John Ridgeway in a six meter dory. Two years before the start of the Whitbread, he had also become the first person to sail non-stop around the world aboard the 21 meter ketch British Steel, a feat which had made him a household name. On board Great Britain II, funded by Bahamian philanthropist ‘Union’ Jack Hayward, Blyth had a crew of ‘Red Berets’ from the parachute regiment – all of them supremely fit beefcake types known for withstanding the toughest challenges, but not known for their sailing skills.
"We almost ran down a rubber dinghy, but managed somehow to avoid it at the last minute"Since the idea for the race had grown out of discussions at the RNSA, it was no surprise that the British Armed Forces were well represented with three entries, but there were two others from Britain. Ex-naval yachtsman Les Williams, who with Robin Knox-Johnston had won the 1970 Round Britain Race, headed up one of these crews on Burton Cutter, at 24 meters the biggest yacht in the fleet and Roddy Ainslie, a keen sailor from Macclesfield had put together the Second Life syndicate with his brother-in-law Ian Butterworth and found 12 paying passengers to take their Ocean 71 around the course.

“Everyone paid £3,000 each and the entire project cost £40,000,” recalled Ainslie. “It was not enough for us to think about winning so we were just thinking about getting round the world. That was paramount, which was why we chartered Second Life. It was a proven design and of proven construction. Our crew was not very experienced so we were a bit apprehensive when we set out from Portsmouth.

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“There was a mass of spectator craft out in the Solent - that came as a surprise. We were not expecting so many people and it made it difficult to steer especially since there was no marshalling to speak of. We almost ran down a rubber dinghy, but managed somehow to avoid it at the last minute.”
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From the French navy there was Eric Tabarly, who was already a national sporting hero. He had bought and restored an old Fife Cutter in the 1960’s, naming her Pen Duick, and was now on his sixth upgrade, a powerful 22 meter ketch, but her controversial depleted uranium ballast keel had been outlawed by the race authorities and his qualification at the start was uncertain. Four other French boats lined up at the start along with three from Italy, two from Poland and one each from Germany and South Africa.

All the crewmembers on Peter Von Danzig were either students or graduates from Akademischer-Segler-Verein - a sailing school - and had to pay £500 to compete, also having put in between 3,000 and 4,000 hours to build the boat. The crew on Polish entry Otago were all workers from the Gdansk shipyard with no experience of sailing.

The French boat 33 Export started without Dominic Rulhe, a Brazilian who was killed in the Varig Boeing aircrash at Orly Airport on his way to join the yacht for the start.

From Mexico came Ramon Carlin, a 50-year-old self-made millionaire who had built up a huge conglomerate manufacturing washing machines and other household goods. His Swan 65 Sayula II was one of the few yachts to have a freezer on board, allowing his crew to dine on steaks, hamburgers and chicken each day, washed down with plentiful supplies of beer and carefully selected wine. He also had an eight track stereo system, 100 tapes and a pair of headphones, which may explain why he was rarely seen on deck.

Tthe crew reckoned they got through six bottles of wine each day even though their skipper was virtually teetotalVictualling the boat reflected the way each skipper viewed that first race. Ainslie was offered 1,500 cans of Guinness from his sponsor, but took only a few, preferring instead to have the rest shipped out to Cape Town. Blyth insisted on freeze-dried food and allowed one spoon per crewmember while French boat Grand Louis, like Sayula II, had a fridge and freezer on board, allowing crew to eat fresh meat all race. The bon viveurs on French ketch Kriter drank wine with every meal. In fact, crew on Kriter did not want for much in the way of food as the provisioning list showed:

120kg bread per leg plus fresh bread at each stop

250 kg ham

25 kg preserved sausages

On Carlin’s boat, the crew reckoned they got through six bottles of wine each day even though their skipper was virtually teetotal.

On the cruising yachts, crews slept on mattresses. Some took pyjamas, pullovers, socks and underpants plus books, shaving paraphernalia and anything else that would keep them clean and entertained during their adventure. Others were allowed only the bare essentials.

“There were no containers to meet us in the stopover ports so we had to take all our jackets, ties and shoes with us and hang everything up in the lockers. We each had two books each and we had a cassette player playing rock and roll tapes. You were not welcome on our boat unless you were into rock and roll,” said Chay Blyth.

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Not logical. If she sent him then why does she need to have the people monitoring for eletromagnetic activity. The phone call said we think we found it. No need for this if she sent henry gale on the balloon.

Pen Widmore sent the balloon to find Desmond, most likely after the first "false alarm" which would have been the 9-22-04 incident.